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Untangling Ourselves

Untangling Ourselves

By: Kaitlin Cunningham PhD
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Stories about making change--in ourselves and in culture--without coercion. Guests share how joy, curiosity, community, and a sense of purpose lead to unlearning, deprogramming, decolonizing, deschooling, and deconstructing how we live our lives and who we think we are. It's not just seeing what's wrong that leads to sustainable shifts--but seeing what's right. Topics including: non-coercive leadership, peaceful parenting, unschooling, feminism, leaving high control religion, neurodivergence, disability, donor conceived people, free Palestine, arts and music, local organizing, mutual aid, trans rights, children's rights, CPTSD, and toxic family systems.Untangling Ourselves Podcast © 2025 by Kaitlin Cunningham is licensed under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ Social Sciences
Episodes
  • 1.8: What Can’t Be Taken: Voice & Community with Lee Hoffman
    May 2 2026

    When voices resonate together, it’s not just to make music. That resonance can shake loose our bodies, our emotions, our relationships, and our power. Lee Hoffman is a professor of vocal music, choir director, and singer whose compassion, humility, and insight create spaces safe enough for everyone to use their voice.

    CW: Mentions of CSA, genocide, feminicide, anti-LGBTQ hate crimes

    Episode artwork "Medicine Series" by Kill Joy from the Justseeds graphics collection.

    Time stamps

    3:24 Choir culture, safety and sound

    14:14 Lee’s childhood in high control Christian churches

    17:50 – 19:10 discussion of child sexual assault and religion

    19:11 Homophobia, bullying and love as survival

    26:54 Teaching voice and anti-racism

    44:23 Singing as the doorway

    49:09 Cathy Roma

    52:19 Non-coercive leadership

    1:02:58 Voice as anti-fascism

    1:12:17 Silence as being with

    Links

    Lee Hoffman

    All Voices Choral Project

    Peace and Justice Choir

    Peace for Gaza by Katie Ailes

    Joan Baez “I am Noise”

    “Watch and Pray” sung by Tamara-Lynn Richards

    Cathy Roma

    Parker J Palmer A Hidden Wholeness

    Unschooling

    “All of Us” from Considering Matthew Shepard, Craig Hella Johnson

    AVCP Listen to Herstory: Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women

    Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women Khadijah Britton Search group

    Lila Downs “Cariñito”

    Canción sin miedo

    Poor People’s Campaign

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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • 1.7: Shifting to Trust with Supriya Narang
    Mar 31 2026

    Supriya Narang is a play practitioner, witch, neurodivergent unschooling mom, soap artist, and community organizer. Supriya shares how the expectations and humiliations of motherhood changed her personally and professionally. She offers practical tips about community building, a feminist manifesto on neurodivergent motherhood, and a guiding principle of trusting—and seeing—the most marginalized people in our communities.

    https://www.instagram.com/thismum.life/

    wellbeingwithsupriya at gmail.com

    Time stamps:

    1:16 Neurodivergent community building

    14:24 Play therapy

    24:06 From corporate a**hole to feminist humility

    41:02 Conflict and inclusion

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    52 mins
  • 1.6: "I'll Take the Demerit" with Rayne Depukat
    Feb 16 2026

    Rayne shares a story about inner conflict, growing up autistic and surrounded by both disability rights advocacy and evangelical Christianity. They decided early on to “just take the demerit”: discovering that although it may sting, liberation is possible when—in an oppressive system of high control religion, ableism, and patriarchy—you decide to just get on with what you believe is right, regardless of all the ways the people in charge tell you that you’re wrong. Rayne is an ASL interpreter, consultant, and parenting coach, whose work is continuously informed by the Disability Justice principles and in particular disabled Black, indigenous, and people of color’s perspectives.

    “We can disagree and still love each other, unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.” -- Robert Jones Jr.

    2:19 Learning ASL

    23:04 Leaving Evangelical Christianity

    34:34 Identifying as disabled and autistic

    41:57 Learning disability justice

    58:54 Practicing disability justice principles

    Rayne Depukat: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rayne-depukat/

    Disability Justice Principles: https://sinsinvalid.org/10-principles-of-disability-justice/

    Heather Watkins: https://slowwalkersseemore.com/https://slowwalkersseemore.com/

    Robert Jones at Son of Baldwin: https://sonofbaldwin.com/https://sonofbaldwin.com/

    Robert Jones' substack, "Witness": https://robertjonesjr.substack.com/

    New Hampshire-Manchester ASL Interpreting Program: https://manchester.unh.edu/program/bs/aslenglish-interpreting-major

    More on disability justice: https://stimpunks.org/glossary/disability-justice/

    Review of research on fathers of children: https://academic.oup.com/jdsde/article/26/2/187/6102075

    Research on hearing parents learning ASL: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10785677/

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    1 hr and 24 mins
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