Jakob Miller Is Back: Treatment, Harm Reduction, and the Hard Truth About Getting Clean

Jakob Miller is back in the studio for a classic Pondoff’s Anonymous drive-by episode...which means the conversation starts somewhere ridiculous and somehow ends up getting very real.

Chris, Zoë, Jeff, and Jakob talk through what’s new in Jakob’s life, the work happening at Illinois Recovery Center, and some of the bigger conversations happening in recovery right now: ibogaine, ketamine treatment, Suboxone, methadone, Vivitrol, naltrexone, harm reduction, detox, fentanyl, Adderall abuse, and what it actually takes to help someone get clean.

Jakob shares his perspective from both lived experience and working in treatment, especially around the idea that harm reduction can save lives, but it shouldn’t become the final destination. The group also talks about ACEs, trauma, recovery structure, medication-assisted treatment, and why real recovery usually requires more than just one tool.

It’s honest, funny, uncomfortable, scattered in the best way, and full of the kind of recovery talk that makes this show what it is.

Topics include:

- Jakob’s return to the studio

- Marriage, family, and life after stepping back from the show

- The protest at a sensory-friendly Easter service

- Ibogaine, ketamine, and psychedelic-assisted treatment

- Suboxone, methadone, Vivitrol, and naltrexone

- Fentanyl detox and precipitated withdrawal

- Harm reduction before and after treatment

- Adderall abuse and stimulant addiction

- ACEs, trauma, and childhood adversity

- Why recovery requires structure, support, and honesty

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Pondoff’s Anonymous is hosted by Chris Pondoff with Zoë Mendenall and Jeff Allen. Produced, engineered, mixed, and filmed by Jeff Allen. Recorded at Illinois Recovery Center in the Pondoff’s Anonymous Studio.

Music by McCall. The track is “Anti-Hero.”

This podcast shares stories and conversations. It is not a substitute for professional help. If you need support, visit:

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Content note: This episode contains discussion of addiction, overdose, assault, suicidal ideation, homelessness, and other traumatic experiences. Please take care while listening.

Alyssa Jarvis joins us to talk about faith, rejection, trauma, addiction, recovery, forgiveness, and the long road to building a new life. This is a heavy one, but it’s also full of honesty, resilience, and hope.

Special thanks to our sponsors:

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Sponsorships

01:33 Personal Stories and Connections

02:59 Faith and Spiritual Journeys

06:06 Navigating Identity and Acceptance

11:56 Challenges of Homelessness and Addiction

20:00 Support Systems and Resilience

21:17 Navigating Adolescence and School Challenges

22:14 The Role of Xanax in Coping with Trauma

25:00 Understanding Addiction and Recovery

27:06 The Impact of Loss on Substance Use

33:15 The Journey of Forgiveness and Healing

46:29 The Drugging Incident

49:21 The Aftermath of Assault

50:46 Realizations and Consequences

51:05 First Treatment Experience

53:39 Escalation of Addiction

54:30 Overdoses and Near-Death Experiences

56:18 Friendship and Betrayal

01:01:10 Rock Bottom and Awakening

01:11:25 The Call for Help

01:14:02 Journey to Treatment

01:17:00 Entering Recovery

01:20:30 Finding Purpose in Pain

01:24:29 Navigating Relationships in Recovery

01:30:05 The Challenges of Motherhood

01:34:38 The Birth Experience

01:35:23 The Birth of Harley and Early Challenges

01:38:01 Navigating Single Parenthood

01:39:29 Finding Stability and Employment

01:41:41 The Journey to Recovery and New Beginnings

01:45:03 Building Community and Support

01:49:01 Spiritual Growth and Connection

01:57:06 Empowering Others Through Experience

John Nettles joins Pondoff’s Anonymous for a real conversation about addiction, relapse, treatment, and what it actually takes to build a life that lasts. Originally from the St. Louis area and now living in California, John talks about growing up in Chesterfield, getting pulled into sports, nightlife, and the EDM scene, and how alcohol and drugs slowly took over everything.

This episode gets into the messy reality of addiction...the false starts, the treatment attempts that didn’t stick, the consequences, and the slow shift from just surviving to actually changing. John also opens up about the recovery community that helped him, the grief and relationships he’s had to navigate sober, and what it means to find purpose after years of chaos.

John is the Director of Alumni Relations at Refine Recovery in Sherman Oaks, California, where he helped build the alumni program to keep people connected and supported after treatment. He also hosts his own podcast, Recovery Refined, where he talks with guests about recovery, identity, adversity, and growth.

If you’re in California and need help, check out Refine Recovery:

https://refinerecovery.com/contact/

Check out John’s podcast, Recovery Refined:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/recovery-refined/id1867828182

Sponsors:

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Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction and Sponsorships

04:57 California's Treatment Landscape

11:06 Community Support and Recovery Initiatives

20:00 Growing Up in Chesterfield and Sports Background

25:19 Sports Culture and Personal Anecdotes

29:43 The Journey into Addiction

30:51 Treatment Programs and Their Impact

34:15 Navigating Recovery and Relapse

39:09 Building a Supportive Recovery Community

44:37 Comedy Night and Personal Reflections

46:11 Navigating Family Dynamics and Addiction

47:47 The Struggles of Early Adulthood and Substance Use

49:31 The Intersection of Substance Use and Nightlife

51:27 Geographic Changes and Their Impact on Addiction

54:43 The Escalation of Addiction and Its Consequences

57:27 The Turning Point: Realizations and Relationships

01:00:00 The Journey to Sobriety and Its Challenges

01:02:51 Facing the Consequences of Addiction

01:05:18 The Cycle of Sobriety and Relapse

01:10:03 Societal Views on Alcohol and Addiction

01:13:20 Moments of Willingness and Seeking Help

01:19:06 The Impact of Family and Relationships on Recovery

01:22:43 Reconnecting and Building Relationships

01:25:11 The Role of Pets in Recovery

01:30:02 The Journey to Treatment

01:31:03 Listening and Learning in Recovery

01:35:24 Detox and the Importance of Time

01:39:02 Finding Purpose in Recovery

01:45:39 Working in Treatment and Helping Others

01:46:37 Building Trust in Recovery

01:47:01 Creating a Supportive Alumni Network

01:48:50 The Importance of Community in Recovery

01:51:26 Navigating Grief and Loss

01:56:00 Finding Purpose in Service

02:00:05 Understanding Addiction and Recovery

02:02:12 Connecting Through Shared Experiences