What does it really take to reach the highest level… and stay there?

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with WNBA veteran Marissa Coleman and professional fighter Camee Adams for one of the most real conversations we’ve had about mindset, adversity, and identity.

These two athletes come from completely different paths. Marissa knew early she was destined for the WNBA and went on to build a 12-year professional career. Camee’s journey didn’t even begin until she was 26 years old, already a mother of two, stepping into a fight gym for the first time . Two different timelines, one common thread—relentless resilience.

This episode goes beyond highlights and accolades. It dives into the sacrifices people don’t see, the mental battles athletes face, and the reality of chasing greatness when the path isn’t clear. From missing holidays and navigating life overseas to fighting through personal trauma and rediscovering purpose, this conversation pulls back the curtain on what it really means to grow through adversity.

For young athletes, parents, and coaches, this is a powerful reminder that success isn’t just about talent or opportunity. It’s about adaptability, discipline, self-awareness, and the willingness to do the work—especially when no one is watching.

If you’re trying to figure out your path, or help someone else find theirs, this episode will challenge the way you think about performance and what truly drives it.

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What does it really take to go from the end of the bench… to the Pro Bowl… to walking away from millions to follow your purpose?

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, former NFL Pro Bowl tight end turned psychologist, Dr. Julius Thomas sits down with Chris Spencer to break down the intangibles that separate average athletes from elite performers.

Julius shares his unbelievable journey—from struggling as a freshman athlete, to switching from basketball to football late, to catching touchdowns from Peyton Manning—and ultimately stepping away from the game to pursue a deeper calling in mental performance and psychology.

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What does it really take to rebuild your life after losing everything?

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with David Meltzer—former CEO of Leigh Steinberg Sports & Entertainment, entrepreneur, investor, and one of the most impactful voices in business and sports today.

David opens up about going from the top of the sports world to losing over $100 million… and the mindset shift that brought him back stronger than ever.

This conversation goes deeper than business and sports. It’s about human nature, faith, humility, and the unseen intangibles that separate those who stay down from those who rise again.

From lessons learned working alongside legends like Leigh Steinberg to powerful stories about his mother’s influence, this episode is packed with wisdom every athlete, parent, and coach needs to hear.

If you’re chasing greatness—or trying to find your way back—this one is for you.

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What does it really take to go from the projects to becoming a Super Bowl Champion?

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with NFL wide receiver and Super Bowl champion Richie James to break down the mindset, discipline, and unseen traits that helped him beat the odds and stay in the league.

From growing up in Sarasota with limited structure to becoming a standout at Middle Tennessee State and eventually carving out a role in the NFL with the San Francisco 49ers, New York Giants, and Kansas City Chiefs — Richie’s story is packed with lessons every young athlete needs to hear.

We dive into what it means to be a 7th round draft pick fighting for your spot, how embracing roles like special teams can extend your career, and why loving the game matters more than chasing money. Richie also opens up about the reality of transitioning out of football and the identity shift many athletes face.

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What happens when you walk away from the NFL at your peak?

In this episode of the Intangible Podcast, we sit down with former Miami Dolphins linebacker Jelani Jenkins—team captain at the University of Florida, NFL starter, and a player who made the rare decision to retire at just 26 years old.

But this conversation goes way deeper than football.

Jelani opens up about the mindset his father instilled in him from a young age, the power of belief and affirmations, and how those intangibles carried him all the way to the NFL. He shares what it was like going head-to-head with Tom Brady, earning his starting spot, and navigating the pressure, injuries, and business side of the league.

Then comes the turning point.

We dive into the mental and emotional challenges that led Jelani to step away from the game—and how that decision forced him into a journey of self-discovery, financial awareness, and building a new identity beyond football.

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What does it take to thrive in the most pressure-packed position in football?

On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, former Alabama placekicker Gunnar Raborn joins Chris Spencer to break down the mindset required to succeed when the entire game comes down to one kick.

Growing up in Louisiana as a multi-sport athlete, Gunnar didn’t even start kicking until his junior year of high school. But that late start turned into a journey that took him to Alabama football, where a moment with Coach Nick Saban would permanently reshape how he viewed pressure and performance.

When Saban told him five simple words — “Pressure is a privilege.” — it changed everything.

In this conversation, Gunnar shares the lessons he learned competing in the SEC, transferring to McNeese State to chase playing time, and developing a mental approach that helped him achieve a 92% field goal percentage during his career.

But the conversation goes deeper than football.

We talk about how elite athletes manage pressure, why the best kickers often come from multi-sport backgrounds, and how the discipline learned in sports translates to success after the game — whether that’s coaching young athletes or building a career in business.

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On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with Vanderbilt basketball standout Ndjakalenga Mwenentanda to unpack the mindset, resilience, and intangibles behind her journey from Sioux Falls to the SEC.

Ndjakalenga’s story is one every athlete should hear. From growing up in a sports-driven family with roots in the Democratic Republic of Congo, to becoming South Dakota Player of the Year, to competing at the highest level of college basketball at Texas and Vanderbilt, her path has been built on discipline, adaptability, and relentless work ethic.

She describes herself as a “Swiss Army knife” player—someone willing to do whatever the team needs to win. That mentality helped her navigate the ups and downs of college athletics, including moments when she barely saw the court and had to trust the process. Through faith, family support, and a commitment to the little things, she built a foundation strong enough to carry her through those difficult seasons.

For young athletes chasing big dreams, Ndjakalenga shares powerful lessons about patience, staying ready for opportunities, and why focusing on development—not attention—is the key to long-term success. She also opens up about the realities of the transfer portal, NIL decisions, and why finding the right fit matters more than chasing money.

This conversation is packed with wisdom on leadership, resilience, and the mindset it takes to succeed both on and off the court.

If you’re an athlete, parent, or coach trying to understand what truly separates great competitors, this episode is full of the intangibles that drive peak performance.

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On this episode of the Intangible Podcast, Chris Spencer sits down with former MLB outfielder Tyson Gillies — a man whose story goes far beyond the stat sheet.

Drafted by the Seattle Mariners and later traded to the Philadelphia Phillies, Tyson also represented Team Canada on the world stage. But what makes his journey truly powerful isn’t just professional baseball — it’s perseverance.

Tyson grew up losing over 70% of his hearing and had to fight through bullying, misunderstanding, and being labeled early in life. Instead of shrinking, he leaned into sport. From hockey rinks in British Columbia to spring training locker rooms with his childhood hero Ken Griffey Jr., Tyson turned adversity into fuel.

In this conversation, we unpack the intangibles that helped him survive and thrive:
Work ethic. Emotional regulation. Accountability. Pushing pace. Playing the long game.

For young athletes, parents, and coaches — this episode is a masterclass in resilience and mental performance. Tyson shares how running your own race, building the right circle, and trusting the process can carry you from overlooked to unstoppable.

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