What if the leaders who actually change communities aren't the loudest voices in the room? The Lion King shows us why. Mufasa's strength wasn't dominance—it was genuine curiosity about every creature in the Pride Lands. And that's exactly what Mayor Lorin Palmer discovered when he stopped networking and started building real relationships.

🎯 3 Actionable Takeaways

1. Have a Conversation with Someone You Disagree With – Seek out one difficult conversation per week. Why it works: Understanding different perspectives builds influence far beyond echo chambers.
2. Live Outside Yourself Through Service – When facing challenges, focus on helping others instead of your own struggles. Why it works: Serving others provides perspective and pulls you out of self-focused spirals.
3. Be Genuine, Not Strategic – Show up authentically in every interaction, treating their concerns as real. Why it works: People immediately detect fakeness; authenticity builds trust that lasts.

Mayor Lorin Palmer of Herriman (one of Utah's fastest-growing cities) joins me to explore leadership through collaboration instead of control. His journey mirrors Mufasa's wisdom: sales career → divorce and depression → rebuilding through genuine relationships → becoming a mayor who listens.

Using The Lion King as our lens, we examine why Mufasa's leadership worked through understanding the circle of life and how every role matters. Mayor Palmer treats a constituent's pothole complaint with the same genuine concern as major city development.

HIGHLIGHTS

• Weekly conversations with people you disagree with build real influence
• Service as the antidote to self-focused struggle
• Lion King lessons on collaborative leadership vs. dominance
• Mayor Palmer's journey from depression to leading Utah's fastest-growing city
• Genuine curiosity beats strategic networking

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

• How Mufasa's leadership translates to modern relationship-building
• Why authentic presence matters more than polished performance
• Practical strategies for building influence through curiosity and service

TIME STAMPS 0:00 Welcome | 0:30 Mayor Lorin Palmer intro | 1:10 Lion King lens | 1:43 Price, Utah to Uruguay mission | 2:12 Finding sales passion | 4:08 Navigating divorce | 4:56 Depression journey | 6:18 Step-parenting | 6:43 Leukemia crisis | 18:45 Becoming mayor | 22:10 Mufasa's perspective-taking | 28:45 Validating concerns | 32:20 Weekly difficult conversations | 35:40 Service mindset | 51:15 Favorite book | 52:09 Dinner guest: JFK | 54:45 Three takeaways | 57:26 Closing

ABOUT MAYOR LORIN PALMER Lorin Palmer is mayor of Herriman, Utah. His path: Price, Utah → Uruguay mission → UVU business → sales career → navigating divorce and depression → discovering authentic connection as his leadership strength. He practices weekly conversations with people he disagrees with, lives outside himself through service, and shows genuine curiosity. His approach mirrors Mufasa's collaborative leadership: every voice matters, and influence comes from curiosity, not control.

ABOUT YES AND LAND Yes And Land explores leadership lessons, relationship dynamics, and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson, family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach at Altium Advisors. New episodes every Thursday.

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Toy Story and the Epidemic of Loneliness: Why Connection Keeps Us Alive

What if loneliness is killing you—literally? Toy Story shows us why. When Woody's identity feels threatened by Buzz, he withdraws into competition and insecurity. That's exactly what happens when divorce, career pressure, or life transitions leave us feeling unchosen—and the Surgeon General confirms it's as dangerous as smoking 15 cigarettes a day.

In this episode, Ryan Gregerson uses Toy Story to explore the epidemic of loneliness identified by U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy. Just as Woody's scarcity mentality made him competitive when Buzz arrived, divorce and life transitions can trigger isolation and defensive behavior. But Woody's journey from insecurity to secure identity shows us the path forward: courageous initiative builds belonging.

🎯 3 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS

1. Initiate One Relationship This Week – Reach out to someone you've been meaning to connect with. Why it works: Leadership in your career doesn't replace leadership in your relationships; taking initiative interrupts isolation.

2. Commit to a Consistent Shared Environment – Join something that meets weekly (church group, pickleball league, support group). Why it works: Connection is built through repeated presence, not isolated encounters.

3. Go One Layer Deeper with Someone – Ask a better question, offer a more honest answer, express appreciation out loud. Why it works: Small shifts in vulnerability create large changes in belonging.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN IN THIS EPISODE

- How social disconnection causes health risks equivalent to smoking 15 cigarettes daily

- Why "just being honest" can become weaponized truth that fractures relationships

- How to move from fragile identity (that withdraws) to secure identity (that initiates)

- The difference between proximity and genuine connection

- Three specific, actionable ways to build belonging this week

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

- Surgeon General's warning on loneliness as a public health crisis

- Harvard's 80-year study: relationships at 50 predict health at 80

- Woody's scarcity mentality when Buzz arrives

- Buzz's identity collapse and the divorce parallel

- Weaponized truth vs compassionate truth

- When your ex starts dating: "Buzz entering the room" again

- Two common mistakes: isolation and overcorrection

ABOUT YES AND LAND

Yes And Land explores the leadership lessons, relationship dynamics, and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson, a family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach for law firm owners at Altium Advisors, each episode connects familiar narratives to real-world wisdom you can actually use.

New episodes every Thursday.

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FROZEN 2 AND BREAKING INTO MALE-DOMINATED INDUSTRIES | WITH ASHLEY LUKE

What if the safe path everyone expects you to take is actually keeping you from your best life? Frozen 2 shows us why. Anna's willingness to step into the unknown—without magic, without certainty—was her real strength. And that's exactly what Ashley Luke discovered when she left corporate America, sold everything to move to France, and eventually built a thriving business in a male-dominated industry.

🎯 3 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS

1. Define Success for Yourself – Take 10 minutes to write what success actually looks like to you, not what others expect. Why it works: You can't pursue the right path if you're following someone else's definition of success.
2. Do One Scary Thing This Week – Speak up when you normally wouldn't, send that email, or try something new. Why it works: Small acts of courage build the muscle you need for bigger leaps.
3. Reflect on When You Felt Most Yourself – Notice what you were doing in those moments. Why it works: Your most authentic moments point you toward your true path.

In this episode, Ashley Luke, franchise owner of Pink's Window Cleaning, joins Courtney Pearl to talk about what happens when you stop following the conventional path and start creating your own. Her journey mirrors Anna in Frozen 2: stable jobs → selling everything to move to France with a one-year-old → returning to find her unconventional edge → building success in window cleaning by being authentically herself.

Using Frozen 2 as our lens, we explore why Anna's lack of magical powers lets her see clearly and lead with courage. Similarly, Ashley's choice to not follow the traditional career path is what made her successful in an unexpected industry.

HIGHLIGHTS

• The hidden cost of following the "safe" conventional path
• Why living in France changed Ashley's perspective on success
• Lessons from Frozen 2 and what Anna teaches about courage without certainty
• Overcoming doubt and building success in a male-dominated industry
• How to show up authentically when others expect you to fit a mold

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

• How to define success on your own terms instead of society's expectations
• Why taking unconventional paths builds confidence and resilience
• The power of doing small scary things to prepare for big challenges
• Why you'll always have doubters no matter what—so choose the life you want

ABOUT ASHLEY LUKE: Ashley Luke is the franchise owner of Pink's Window Cleaning. After following the conventional path—college, dental assisting, corporate jobs—she and her husband sold everything to move to France with their one-year-old daughter. That experience opened her eyes to different ways of living. Upon returning to Utah, she completed her bachelor's degree while raising two daughters, then stepped into entrepreneurship in a male-dominated industry, proving that unconventional paths lead to extraordinary success.

ABOUT YES AND LAND: Yes And Land explores the leadership lessons, relationship dynamics, and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson, a family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach for law firm owners at Altium Advisors, each episode connects familiar narratives to real-world wisdom you can actually use. New episodes every Thursday.

#YesAndLand #DisneyAdults #DisneyPodcast #Frozen2 #UnconventionalPath

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Mulan didn't quit when the army sent her home. She came back anyway — and saved all of China. What if that kind of grit is less about toughness, and more about knowing why you won't stop?

In this episode, Jacob Davis — tech entrepreneur, startup veteran, and CEO of WellTrio — joins Ryan Gregerson to talk about what success through not quitting actually looks like. His journey mirrors Mulan's: never quite fitting the expected mold, facing real adversity, and discovering that the refusal to quit — aimed in the right direction — is what separates people who find their purpose from those who don't.

🎯 3 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS

1. Reframe the Obstacle — Ask "how do I get around it?" not "how do I bash through it?" The obstacle usually isn't the real problem.
2. Point Your Compass at Magnetic North — Define what you actually want, then check whether your actions are aligned. Stress is what happens when your values and actions stop aligning.
3. Talk About Your Problem — No one of us is as smart as all of us. In Mulan, the avalanche only happens because Shang listens. Your answer might come from someone you'd never expect.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN

• When to push through versus when you're just on the wrong bus
• Why being different isn't a limitation — it's a superpower
• How Mulan's story is a blueprint for anyone who has never quite fit the expected mold

ABOUT JACOB DAVIS Jacob is CEO of WellTrio, a healthcare cost solution that has helped businesses cut costs by up to 68%. He was previously part of the team behind ERC Specialists, which scaled from idea to $1.6B in revenue in two years.

Connect with Jacob: 📱 TikTok: 📸 Instagram: 🌐 Website: 💼 LinkedIn:

ABOUT YES AND LAND Yes And Land explores the leadership lessons and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson — family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach at Altium Advisors. New episodes every Thursday.

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What happens when a company known for magic starts losing its creative spark?

In this episode of Yes And Land with Ryan Gregerson, we explore Bob Iger’s leadership journey through one of the most turbulent chapters in Disney’s modern history. Drawing from The Ride of a Lifetime, Ryan reflects on the breakdown of trust, the dangers of centralized control, and how psychological safety shapes innovation.

This conversation dives into succession planning, corporate culture, executive decision-making, and the power of future-focused leadership. Rather than tearing down what came before, Iger chose to frame his leadership around possibility and renewal. That decision reshaped Disney’s trajectory and offers powerful lessons for leaders, entrepreneurs, and anyone navigating transition.

If you’re facing change in your organization or personal life, this episode will challenge you to say yes to what is and and to what could be.

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*Note: In this episode, we referenced Disney's acquisition of Pixar at $4.5 billion — the correct figure is $7.4 billion. We regret the error!

Remember the Titans and the Character Ethic | Shea Owens on Stephen Covey's 7 Habits

What if the behaviors everyone tells you to fix aren't actually the problem? Remember the Titans shows us why. Coach Boone didn't win with a new playbook — he changed who his players were becoming. And that's exactly what divorce attorney and current part-time judge Shea Owens has witnessed across football fields, rural courtrooms, and a decade of navigating some of Utah's most complex legal terrain.

🎯 3 Actionable Takeaways

1. Change Your Paradigm First – Before trying to fix any conflict, try viewing it from a completely new angle. Why it works: Behavior change without a shifted perspective rarely sticks.
2. Identify What's at Your Center – Ask why you're really making the decisions you're making. Is it fear, money, or genuine values? Why it works: You can't align your actions with your values until you know what's actually driving you.
3. Write Your Personal Mission Statement – Define who you want to become, not just what you want to achieve. Why it works: It gives you a ladder — and makes sure it's leaning against the right building.

Using Remember the Titans as our lens, Shea and Ryan explore Stephen Covey's first three habits — Be Proactive, Begin with the End in Mind, and Put First Things First — and why Covey called these the "private victories." Featuring the iconic "attitude reflects leadership, captain" scene, the story of Coach Yost's character-driven decision to stay as assistant, the real-world story of the Cliven Bundy standoff, and what keeping commitments to yourself actually requires.

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN IN THIS EPISODE

• Why behavior change without character change almost always fails
• How Covey's first three habits mirror the story of T.C. Williams' integration season
• What "beginning with the end in mind" looks like in divorce, football, and a nonlinear career

ABOUT SHEA OWENS: Shea Owens is a family law attorney at RCG Law Group and a current part-time judge in Kane County, Utah. Before joining RCG, he spent nearly a decade on federal public lands law in Southern Utah, including navigating legal tensions during the Cliven Bundy standoff era. A former collegiate football player and lifelong Remember the Titans devotee, Shea brings a character-first lens to law, leadership, and life.

ABOUT YES AND LAND: Yes And Land explores the leadership lessons, relationship dynamics, and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson, a family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach for law firm owners at Altium Advisors, each episode connects familiar narratives to real-world wisdom you can actually use.

New episodes every Thursday.

#YesAndLand #DisneyAdults #DisneyPodcast #RememberTheTitans #7Habits #StephenCovey #CharacterEthic #LeadershipPodcast #AttitudeReflectsLeadership #BeProactive

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What if the thing standing between you and your creative life isn't talent, but the story you've told yourself about who gets to be an artist? Ratatouille knows. Remy wasn't blocked by ability. He was blocked by a world that said a rat had no business in the kitchen. And that's exactly what Kirsten Hirst discovered when she stopped trying to recreate someone else's picture and finally started making her own.

Kirsten Hirst is the Director of Revenue Operations at RCG Law Group, a practicing collage artist, and the daughter of an architect and a writer. She has spent years sitting at the intersection of analytical thinking and creative identity, and in this conversation she unpacks why insecurity, not lack of talent, is the real block that keeps most people from ever owning the creative side of who they already are.

Using Pixar's Ratatouille as a powerful metaphor, Ryan and Kirsten dive into the belief that "not everyone can become a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere." Together they unpack how creativity shows up in unexpected places like business strategy, architecture, marketing, and personal growth.

3 Actionable Takeaways

1. Buy a mixed media journal for $8 to $10, grab some old books from the thrift store, and make one collage a day for a month. What you learn about your creative blocks will be more valuable than any class.

2. List your childhood favorites — food, movie, TV show, favorite outing — then start doing those things again. Stop outsourcing joy to some future version of your life and let yourself be a kid.

3. Try on the identity of an artist before it feels like it fits. It's not something you aren't. It's something you've been afraid to admit you already are.

Yes And Land explores the leadership lessons, relationship dynamics, and hard choices hidden in the stories we love. Hosted by Ryan Gregerson, a family law attorney at RCG Law Group, Disney enthusiast, and business coach for law firm owners at Altium Advisors, each episode connects familiar narratives to real-world wisdom you can actually use.

New episodes every Thursday.

What if the pressure to look perfect online is the exact thing holding you back? Encanto shows us why. Mirabel's "lack" of a gift was actually her superpower. And that's exactly what Jana Oman discovered when she stopped copying other real estate agents and started being herself on TikTok.

🎯 3 Actionable Takeaways

1. List What Comes Naturally – Focus on what feels easy, not what you “should.” Why it works: Authentic strengths attract the right people; performed ones attract everyone else.

2. Post Stories, Not Reels – Share your day, food, or adventures. Why it works: Low-stakes practice helps you get comfortable on camera.

3. Watch Yourself Back – Notice how you move, talk, or flip your hair. Why it works: You can’t improve what you don’t see, and people already like you.

In this episode, Jana Oman, a real estate agent who built her business on TikTok, joins me to talk about what happens when you stop trying to fit in and start showing up as yourself. Her journey mirrors Mirabel in Encanto: tech career → pressured to cold call and door knock → realizing her “lack” of traditional skills was her edge → TikTok success by being authentically herself.

Using Encanto as our lens, we explore why Mirabel’s lack of a visible gift lets her truly see and hold her family together. Similarly, Jana’s choice to not fit the “successful realtor” mold is what made the right clients find her.

CHAPTERS:

0:00 - Introduction: Pressure to Look Polished Online

0:40 - Jana's Background: From Coding at Age 8 to Real Estate

4:35 - The Shift to Real Estate: "This Looks Easy"

9:10 - 🎬 ENCANTO CONNECTION: Feeling Like You Don't Belong

11:04 - What Gave Jana Courage to Keep Going

15:06 - The Uncomfortable Truth: Watching Yourself Back

19:51 - The Shift: "I Don't Care What Anyone Thinks"

21:13 - 💥 THE TIKTOK BREAKTHROUGH

22:48 - Why TikTok Rewards Authenticity

24:38 - 🎬 ENCANTO: Mirabel's Journey

28:48 - Mirabel's Real Gift: Love & Holding Family Together

30:02 - Louisa's Pressure: "Surface Pressure"

32:01 - Abuela's Role: When Gifts Become More Important Than People

33:14 - Finding What Comes Easy to You

44:37 - 🎯 3 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS (Full Breakdown)

45:44 - List What Comes Easy, Start Posting Stories, Watch Yourself

ABOUT JANA OMAN:

Jana Oman is a real estate agent in Salt Lake and Davis Counties, Utah, who grew her business through authentic social media—especially TikTok. A tech whiz since age 8 and former systems administrator, she brings a smart, tech-savvy approach to marketing. Skipping cold calls and door knocking, Jana connects with clients through her personality, Harry Potter references, and genuine style. Fluent in English and Spanish, she helps first-time buyers and others discover what’s possible.

Connect with Jana:

📱 TikTok: [link (https://www.tiktok.com/@jana.oman)]

📸 Instagram: [link (www.instagram.com/janaoman_)] and Facebook: [link (www.facebook.com/janaomanarche)]

🏡 Website: [link (https://janasellsutah.com/)]

LinkedIn: [link (https://www.linkedin.com/in/janaoman/)]

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