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Thriving Leaders Podcast

Thriving Leaders Podcast

By: Claire Gray
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Hosted by Claire Gray, Leadership & Team Coach and Facilitator, this podcast is here to support you as a leader, no matter what your experience level, with bite-sized leadership learnings. Packed with practical tools, tips, actions and insights, that you can immediately apply, so you can lead confidently now.Claire Gray Economics Management Management & Leadership Personal Development Personal Success
Episodes
  • Working with People You Don't Agree With, Like, or Trust with Adam Kahane
    May 11 2026

    Most of us know the feeling. There's someone at the table we don't agree with, don't particularly like, or don't quite trust, and the situation isn't going away. Whether it's a difficult peer, a misaligned executive, a stakeholder relationship that's gone a bit stale, or a cross-functional partnership that feels like it's going nowhere, the instinct is often the same: work around it, avoid it, or wait it out. And as Adam Kahane will tell you, that rarely works.

    Adam Kahane is founding partner of Reos Partners, a global organisation specialising in collaborative approaches to complex challenges. Over more than 35 years, he has worked in over 50 countries supporting governments, corporations, and civil society through some of the world's most difficult situations, from the democratic transition in post-apartheid South Africa to peace processes in Colombia. He is the author of six books, including the newly revised Collaborating with the Enemy: How to Work with People You Don't Agree with or Like or Trust (Second Edition, 2025), which carries a foreword from Nobel Peace Laureate Juan Manuel Santos. Nelson Mandela described his earlier work as addressing "the central challenge of our time: finding a way to work together to solve the problems we have created".

    In this conversation, Adam unpacks why working across difference is becoming harder just as it's becoming more essential, and what leaders can actually do about it. We explore his concept of "enemyfying", the limits of conventional collaboration, and why the real breakthrough in any difficult collaboration is rarely about changing the other person.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Why our capacity to work across difference is declining just as the need for it is increasing, and what's driving that gap
    • What "enemyfying" actually means, why we all do it, and why it's such an unhelpful starting point for getting anything done
    • The difference between conventional collaboration and stretch collaboration, and how to know which one your situation actually calls for
    • Why telling people to "think of the whole" or "leave your interests at the door" is often unrealistic, and in many cases manipulative
    • How complexity and conflict change the rules of collaboration entirely
    • The four options we have in any difficult situation, and why collaboration is just one of them
    • What Adam calls "The Click", the turning point moment that shifts a stuck group toward real progress
    • The most practical thing you can do when you're tempted to keep telling someone they're wrong

    I loved Adam's framing that working with people we don't agree with, like, or trust is not a new idea at all. What's new is how much we've retreated from it, and how much the quality of our leadership, our teams, and our organisations depends on us getting better at it again.

    If this conversation resonated, share it with a leader or team navigating a difficult stakeholder relationship, a silo situation, or a collaboration that feels more stuck than it should be.

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    54 mins
  • Rebecca Sutherns on Team Alignment, Strategy, and Smarter Decisions
    Apr 27 2026

    What if your team is using the same words, but imagining completely different futures? This conversation is a powerful reminder that alignment is not about sameness, it is about helping people see clearly, think together, and move forward with intention.

    In this episode, I’m joined by Rebecca Sutherns, trusted advisor, bestselling author, master facilitator, certified coach, and someone I deeply admire for the way she helps people unlock courage, clarity and momentum. With more than 25 years of experience, Rebecca works with mission-driven organisations to help leaders reimagine what’s next and get aligned on what matters most.

    In our conversation, we explore what it really takes to get people “watching the same movie” in teams and organisations. Rebecca shares why strategy needs more imagination, why leaders need to get clearer about the problem they are actually solving, and why waiting for perfect information can become the very thing that keeps teams stuck.

    This is such an important conversation right now because so many leaders are navigating complexity, competing perspectives, and decision fatigue. Rebecca brings a grounded, practical lens to all of it, and I think you’ll walk away with fresh ways to lead better conversations and better decisions. Let’s dive in.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Why teams can use the same words but still be picturing completely different futures
    • How to create a vivid shared vision, not just another polished vision statement
    • Why “what problem are we solving?” is one of the most important questions a leader can ask
    • How to clarify decision-making criteria before people get attached to their preferred solution
    • Why waiting for full information is often just a stall tactic in disguise
    • How facilitation slows teams down at the beginning so they can move faster later
    • Why thriving teams do not just predict the future, they help create it

    I loved this conversation because Rebecca puts language to something so many leaders experience but struggle to name. My favorite part was her reminder that alignment is not about making everyone the same, it is about making thinking visible so people can understand each other, challenge well, and move forward with intention.

    The future does not just happen to teams. The strongest teams help shape it.

    If this episode resonated with you, share it with a leader, facilitator or executive team who is working through complexity and trying to make better decisions together.

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    52 mins
  • Creativity is Not a Luxury, Building Creative Confidence with Paul Fairweather
    Apr 13 2026

    So many leaders are not short of ideas. What they are short of is space, confidence, and permission to bring those ideas to life. In fast-moving workplaces, creativity can feel like something we will get to later, but as Paul Fairweather reminds us in this conversation, later rarely comes.

    In this episode, I’m joined by Paul Fairweather, creative leadership speaker, workplace culture facilitator, former CEO of a 55-person architectural practice, award-winning architect, artist, and author of Bold, Brave, and A Bit Quirky. Paul helps leaders and teams reconnect with their creative confidence, not as a nice-to-have, but as a vital capability for problem-solving, connection, and innovation in a world increasingly shaped by AI.

    In our conversation, we explore what creativity really means, why so many capable people don’t see themselves as creative, and how leaders can create the conditions for more original thinking at work. We also unpack the tension between AI and human creativity, why uncertainty is part of the creative process, and what practical leaders can do to build more creative, thriving teams.

    This is such an important conversation right now, because in a world that is becoming faster, noisier, and more automated, the human skills of curiosity, creativity, courage, and connection matter more than ever.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Why creativity is often misunderstood, and why it is about far more than art
    • How Paul defines creativity as identifying potential or opportunity, then fostering its development
    • What leaders can learn from staying longer in uncertainty, instead of rushing too quickly to clarity
    • The difference between using AI as a helpful tool, versus using it as a substitute for original thought
    • Why many adults have had their creative confidence diminished over time, and how to rebuild it
    • How simple, practical exercises can help teams think differently and unlock fresh ideas
    • What thriving teams need in order to create, connect, and contribute more meaningfully together

    I loved Paul’s reminder that creativity is not just about ideas, it is also about the courage to do something with them. Thriving teams are not built by speed alone. They are built when leaders create enough safety, space, and confidence for people to think, experiment, and contribute in more meaningful ways.

    Creativity thrives when leaders make space for uncertainty, not just answers.

    If this episode resonated, share it with a leader, teammate, or creative thinker who needs a reminder that their ideas still matter.

    Until next time, keep leading with curiosity and heart.

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    40 mins
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