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The Selling Podcast

The Selling Podcast

By: Mike Williams and Scott Schlofman
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Feeling stuck in a sales slump? Pipeline looking thinner than a supermodel on a juice cleanse? Want to grow your business faster than a startup funded by a lottery winner? Then buckle up, buttercup, because "The Selling Podcast" is your new obsession!


Join your seasoned (slightly graying but still very spry) sales pros, Mike and Scott, who collectively boast over 50 years of crushing quotas (and racking up enough airline and hotel points to live perpetually in a suite). They're not just here to drop wisdom; they're here to deliver a potent mix of "deep-ish thoughts and some truly mediocre advice" (their words, not ours... mostly) on everything from closing monster deals to navigating the wild ride of life.


Every week, prepare for unfiltered stories, battle-tested philosophies, hard-earned insights, and enough random tangents to keep you laughing – and learning! They even drag in some special guests (who usually offer the really deep insights, just between us) to elevate the conversation even further.


Whether you're a seasoned sales manager, a hungry rep grinding for commission, or just someone who wants to understand the human element of persuasion, Mike and Scott cut through the fluff with their signature blend of sharp sales strategies and hilarious banter.


Stop wishing for more sales, start getting them! Hit subscribe, join the conversation, and let Mike and Scott help you sell better, live better, and most of all... enjoy all of it!

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Episodes
  • The Golden Formula: What Business Can Learn from a Pro Athlete’s Attitude & Effort
    May 27 2026
    Unlocking Peak Performance: Zack Lutz on Failure, Fundamentals, and the Road to the MLB

    What does it take to make it to the pinnacle of professional baseball, and more importantly, how do you sustain success once you arrive? On this week's high-octane episode of The Selling Podcast, we’re pulling back the curtain on the world of elite sports with professional baseball player and performance coach, Zach Lutz.

    A former standout for the New York Mets and a product of Alvernia University’s famed Division III program, Zach brings a wealth of knowledge that transcends the diamond. From the gritty fundamentals to the razor-sharp mental capacity required to compete at the highest level, Zach breaks down the winning processes that every listener can apply to their own professional career.

    In this deep dive, we explore:

    • The Mental Reset: A pro player only has 20 seconds to recover from failure. Discover the proven techniques to "flush it" and approach your next pitch—or sales call—with a clean slate.
    • Simplifying the Complex: Why gimmicks fail, and why a relentless focus on core fundamentals and repetition is the single biggest predictor of long-term greatness.
    • Grit Over Talent: The incredible journey of navigating double-digit strikeout streaks and multiple career-threatening injuries (including eight screws in his foot!) and turning a setback into a legendary comeback.
    • Expectation vs. Honesty: Setting a development plan for sustained success, whether you're a parent, a baseball coach, or a sales manager.

    Stop chasing gimmicks and start mastering your attitude and effort. Join us for a powerful masterclass on resilience, dedication, and the remarkable power of staying simple.

    Zach Lutz is Ready. Lutz Go.
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    32 mins
  • Four-Letter CRM? Turn the Dreaded Tool into your Secret Sales Weapon with CRM Whisperer Jason Kramer
    May 20 2026

    Visit Jason here at AfterTheLead.com

    In this episode of The Selling Podcast, hosts Scott and Mike dive into the often-dreaded world of Customer Relationship Management (CRM) systems. They welcome Jason Kramer, founder and CEO of Cultivize and self-proclaimed "CRM Whisperer," to discuss why CRMs are often despised by sales teams and how to transform them from an administrative burden into a powerful tool for driving revenue.

    Why CRMs are Often Hated

    Jason begins by explaining that the negativity surrounding CRMs stems from a lack of process and proper training. Many salespeople view them merely as tools for data entry rather than aids to make their jobs easier. Companies often hire salespeople and expect them to naturally know how to use these complex tools without providing a clear playbook or defining the necessary processes.

    Common CRM Mistakes and the Importance of Nurturing

    A major hurdle for sales reps is the failure to follow up effectively. Salespeople get busy and postpone following up with leads who aren't ready to buy immediately, causing potential deals to fall through the cracks.

    Jason emphasizes the critical importance of "nurturing" leads, which he defines not as bombarding them with weekly emails, but as educating them. By providing valuable resources (like relevant articles or insights) that help solve their problems, you build rapport and educate them to make better decisions when they are ready to buy. Studies show that 63% of leads who enter the funnel will eventually buy if properly nurtured.

    Practical Advice for Sales Reps

    1. Block Time on Your Calendar: The "I don't have time" excuse is common. Jason and the hosts strongly advise allocating rigid time blocks on your calendar specifically for Business Development. Treating CRM updates as part of business development makes it less likely to be pushed aside.
    2. Define Your Process: Take a step back and literally write down the steps in your ideal sales cycle. This defines the standard activities that need to happen at each stage.
    3. Utilize "Lead Scoring": Most CRMs track prospect activity (website visits, email opens, etc.). Leveraging lead scoring allows sales reps to prioritize leads who are actively showing interest, telling you who to call today.
    4. The 15-Minute Rule: When responding to new inbound leads, speed is everything. Statistically, waiting more than 15 minutes to reach out can cause you to lose the deal to a competitor who responds faster. If you cannot call immediately, utilize automated auto-responder emails to set expectations and maintain the conversation.

    The Role of AI in the Future of CRM

    The conversation concludes with insights into how AI is impacting CRM usage. AI tools can analyze transcripts of calls and meetings to identify pain points, detect tonality, and provide actionable highlights. Furthermore, AI can help salespeople articulate follow-up communications more clearly and effectively by analyzing the customer’s concerns and suggesting the best language to overcome them.

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    33 mins
  • Say No and Still Get Invited Back
    May 13 2026

    Have you ever turned down an invitation from a customer or colleague, only to realize later that they stopped asking you to events altogether? In this episode of The Selling Podcast, hosts Scott and Mike tackle the difficult art of saying "no" without burning bridges. Using a simple, four-step formula, they discuss how to decline requests and invitations confidently while ensuring you remain on the guest list for future opportunities.

    The "Golden Formula" for Saying No

    Scott outlines a definitive process to decline an invitation gracefully while maintaining future warmth:

    1. Meet with Appreciation: No matter the invitation, always start with sincere, heartfelt gratitude. Thank the person for thinking of you and acknowledge the effort they made to extend the offer.
    2. Give a Clear Answer Early: Avoid bury the "no" in the middle of a paragraph or conversation. Do not waffle, use "maybes," or say you will "try" if you already know you cannot make it. stringing people along prevents them from inviting others and damages trust.
    3. Provide Short Reasoning: While you should almost always provide a reason (unless the request is illegal or unethical), keep it brief. Avoid "dissertation" or "TED Talk" answers. A simple, honest sentence is usually sufficient. Crucially, never lie or invent excuses, as this will eventually damage trust.
    4. Future Warmth: Separate the rejection of the event from the rejection of the person. Close by expressing a genuine desire to connect in the future to keep the door open.
    Mike’s Tweak: The Follow-Up

    Mike adds a critical fifth step to the formula to maximize your chances of a reinvitation: The Follow-Up Note.

    A day or two after the event took place, send a quick message asking how it went. For example: "How was the dinner Friday night? I thought about you guys and hope you had fun." This shows continued interest and reinforces that you value the relationship, even if you couldn't attend that specific event.

    Key Takeaways & Nuances
    • The Power of Confidence: When saying no, be confident. If you sound hesitant, a customer may sense a "chink in the armor" and try to pressure you into changing your mind. Do not sound guilty for having other commitments.
    • Handling Unethical/Illegal Requests: If a customer asks for something illegal, immoral, or unethical, the formula changes. There is no need for appreciation or future warmth regarding that specific request. A confident, definitive "no" is required immediately.
    • Turning Down Activities You Dislike: If you are invited to an activity you genuinely do not enjoy (e.g., poker night), use appreciation, a clear no, and then politely state that the activity isn't your thing. Offer an alternative activity you do enjoy to steer future invitations toward things you will accept.
    • Don't "Ghost": One of the biggest mistakes is sitting on a request because you really want to go but know you probably can't. Procrastinating only frustrates the inviter. Reply confidently as soon as you know your status.
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    33 mins
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