Everybody asks what a pool costs to build. Almost nobody asks what it costs to own. This episode fixes that.

Cristian sits down with Tyler Hermon of Pools of Fun in Indianapolis, who has spent 18 years in the industry assisting with pool sales, five retail stores, and a full maintenance division. That combination is rare, and it is exactly why he can walk you through the real ten-year picture on fiberglass, vinyl liner, and concrete pools without flinching.

You will hear where the money actually goes: the liner replacement that tends to show up around year ten, the concrete resurface that costs roughly double, and the pumps, heaters, and salt cells you will swap whether you planned for them or not. Tyler is honest about insurance too, including why a diving board or slide can quietly cost you coverage, and how an automatic cover pays you back on chemicals, heat, and peace of mind.

Then comes the part you cannot put on a spreadsheet. In roughly a thousand pools sold, Tyler cannot name one family who said it was not worth it. As he puts it, the maintenance people fear and the maintenance they actually deal with are rarely the same thing.

A few things that come up along the way:
• Which pool type is cheapest to own over a decade, and why
• The difference between paying up front and paying later
• What really drives insurance and property tax changes on a pool
• When doing your own maintenance saves money, and when it just costs you a Saturday
• Why "we will wait until the kids are older" is the regret Tyler hears most

If you are weighing a pool and trying to picture life ten years in, this is the conversation to have first.

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Most homeowners spend more time around their pool than in it. Which means the patio, the deck, and the gathering spaces around the water carry most of the experience. So how do you plan that space well?

In this episode, Cristian sits down with Trey Watford, lead designer at River Pools Virginia, for a practical, design-driven conversation about patio square footage. They cover the realistic averages, the dimensions behind every common gathering space, and the side-by-side comparisons that show why allocation matters more than total size. If you're planning a fiberglass pool and trying to figure out how much patio you actually need, this one's for you.

In this episode

• Why patios get underestimated and how to avoid the most common regrets • The honest average patio size, and when your needs land outside it • How much room each zone really needs (conversation, dining, fire pit, hot tub, grill, outdoor kitchen) • Minimum walkway widths around the pool for safety and comfort • Practical ways to visualize your space at home before signing anything • How to phase your patio over time without ending up with a patchwork look

About Trey Watford

Trey Watford is the lead designer at River Pools Virginia. He brings a Virginia Tech background in landscape architecture and years of hands-on experience designing high-end outdoor living spaces around fiberglass pools.

Watch the video version on YouTube to see Trey's design walkthroughs on screen. Search The Pool Guides Podcast.

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Catch the wave.

Most homeowners plan the pool and figure out the outdoor living space later. That's the mistake. In this episode, landscape architect Trey Watford, lead designer at River Pools Virginia, walks you through the design process from discovery to final plan, so you can approach your own project with confidence no matter who you work with.

Trey covers the questions every homeowner should ask themselves before a designer ever shows up, why site analysis is the most underrated part of the process, what a $250K–$300K backyard project actually includes, and how to bring that number down without losing what matters most.

Whether you're early in your research or already speaking with builders, this episode will give you a clearer picture of what great backyard design looks like, and what questions to ask to make sure you get it.

Topics covered:

• Where the design process actually begins (it's not where you think)
• The "dot connecting" method for deeply understanding your backyard vision
• Site analysis, elevation readings, and why skipping this step is costly
• Professional designer vs. order taker - what's the real difference?
• Live design walkthrough of a real River Pools project
• Budget reality: what drives costs up, and how to bring them down
• Where to start if you want to begin planning tomorrow

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