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The Off-Ramp Project

The Off-Ramp Project

By: Karla McLaren
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How do we create (and survive) drastic changes? How do we leave unhealthy relationships, groups, belief systems, or entire identities? How do we take off-ramps when the crowd is pushing us forward, and how can we learn to create off-ramps for others -- especially when we've been taught to see them as our enemies?

These questions are crucial in a time when so many of us have been drawn into polarized belief systems and conspiracy theories that are tearing apart families, friendships, political parties, and the foundations of American governance itself.

But change and reclamation are possible at any time. Researcher, author, emotions and empathy expert, and cult survivor Karla McLaren, M.Ed. explores how we can reclaim ourselves and provide support for others.

We all need off-ramps when we're being separated from each other, and when we're being taught to see enemies in anyone not like us.

With personal stories, extensive research, emotional genius, empathic badassery, and humor, we explore how and why this bold American experiment has become a tragic powder keg, and how we can reclaim our good hearts, our good minds, and our good souls.

We can imagine, build, and maintain off-ramps for ourselves and each other.

Welcome to the Off-Ramp Project.

Karla McLaren 2025
Science Social Sciences
Episodes
  • The Secret Heart of Violence
    Jul 2 2026

    There is a secret heart inside violence, but most of us are taught to avoid violence, which means that we don't tend to learn much about it.

    In this episode, I explore the conditions that create healthy forms of violence and the conditions that make violence frakked up and a losing game for everyone.

    Violence has an important purpose, and it can be understood and addressed intelligently. In fact, people (and animals) have been studying and responding to violence skillfully for centuries.

    We can take an off-ramp from abusive and violent relationships, ideologies, and groups -- but first, we have to understand how we went down this wrong road, and how we can get onto a road that's going somewhere better.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    My Master's thesis on autism: Interrogating Normal: Autism Social Skills Training at the Margins of a Social Fiction: https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/concern/theses/mw22v614s

    Books mentioned in this episode: https://bookshop.org/lists/the-off-ramp-project

    Talk to Me by Emma Van Der Klift

    Warriors and Peacemakers by Mark Cooney

    The Power Manual by Cyndi Suarez

    When Killing is a Crime by Tony Waters (and me!): https://www.rienner.com/title/When_Killing_Is_a_Crime

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    46 mins
  • Avoiding Hierarchies of Human Worth
    Jun 25 2026

    Hierarchies give us ways to grade things and put them in order, which is helpful -- UNLESS we use them to grade human beings.

    What I call "hierarchies of human worth" create unnecessary trouble for everyone.

    At this painful and chaotic time in American history, we are struggling under multiple hierarchies of human worth: race, gender, sexual orientation, wealth level, and religiosity, to name a few.

    Each of these hierarchies damages the emotional functioning, empathic capacities, and social functioning of everyone trapped within them. UNLESS people understand how these hierarchies work and how to address that damage, no matter where you land in them.

    Hierarchies of human worth lead us in ugly, painful, and ultimately worthless directions. There are better ways to structure human traits, human activities, and human cultures, and we can take an off-ramp and build them together.

    Books mentioned in this episode: https://bookshop.org/lists/karla-mclaren-s-books

    The Power of Emotions at Work by Karla McLaren

    Escaping Utopia By Janja Lalich and Karla McLaren

    The Language of Emotions by Karla McLaren

    The Art of Empathy by Karla McLaren

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    32 mins
  • Seeking the Deeper Story
    Jun 18 2026

    Knowing the deeper story -- in a time when the stories we're told tend to be shallow and manipulative -- is a way to reclaim your humanity, your emotions, your empathy, your attention, and your power.

    It's also a way to reclaim the humanity of the people who have been set against you -- as you have been set against them -- as a way for the people in power to control us all.

    Well, sorry neither! There is a deeper story here that needs to be told so that we can reclaim ourselves, each other, and our communities again.

    In this episode:

    Braver Angels: https://braverangels.org/our-mission/

    Books mentioned in this episode: https://bookshop.org/lists/the-off-ramp-project

    The Managed Heart: Commercialization of Human Feeling by Arlie Russell Hochschild

    Stolen Pride: Loss, Shame, and the Rise of the Right by Arlie Russell Hochschild

    Strangers in Their Own Land: Anger and Mourning on the American Right by Arlie Russell Hochschild

    The Power of Emotions at Work: Accessing the Vital Intelligence in Your Workplace by Karla McLaren: https://bookshop.org/lists/karla-mclaren-s-books

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    23 mins
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