Dr. Jacobs returns to the podcast with a personal update on his time away, news about the upcoming East West Series, and reflections from Holy Week, Pascha, and Bright Week on Mount Athos. In this episode, he shares stories from Vatopedi Monastery, discusses miracles, relics, and monastic life, and offers insight into how these experiences challenge modern skepticism and deepen faith.

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Breakwater Festival 2026 | 19–21 June | London:

I’ll be speaking at Breakwater Festival 2026, a 3-day Estuary gathering focused on bringing online conversations into real-life dialogue and connection. This year’s theme, Cross Pollination: Conversing Across Religious Lines, explores how beliefs engage across difference in a pluralistic world.

Join me and other speakers in London — Early Bird tickets are available now: https://www.thebreakwaternetwork.com/upcoming-event

Chapters:

00:00 I'm back

00:13 Why I disappeared for Lent and Mount Athos

02:33 What this episode covers

03:00 East West Series update

04:53 Production timeline and release plan

05:54 Fundraising and pre-orders

07:16 Why the East West Series matters

09:35 Who the series is for: converts, inquirers, and online debate

11:45 Vatopedi Monastery endorsement announcement

14:05 Podcast facelift and rebrand

16:25 New 30-minute “Coffee with Dr. Jacobs” episodes

21:07 Topic requests, comments, and sharing

23:30 Website simplification and one-stop hub

24:20 Mount Athos reflections begin

25:45 Third trip to Mount Athos and Holy Week overview

28:05 Visiting Elder Paisios’ hermitage

30:32 Other monasteries and the capital of Athos

32:55 Daily monastic rhythm: Matins, Vespers, and Compline

35:19 Holy Week, Pascha, and the intensity of Athos

37:41 The washing of the feet service

40:09 Pascha procession and the all-night liturgy

42:31 Holy Week exhaustion and conversations with monks

45:00 Bright Week procession and blessing of the waters

47:25 Pizza on Mount Athos

49:48 Relics, miracles, and confronting modern skepticism

54:29 The Belt of the Virgin Mary

56:49 The True Cross and miraculous yeast

59:16 St. John Chrysostom’s incorrupt ear

01:04:00 The Panagia Paramythia miracle icon

01:08:44 Skepticism, belief, and re-enchantment

01:13:26 Why skepticism feels safe

01:15:41 Belief, faith, and how we live

01:20:23 Why people chase the paranormal

01:24:59 Culture, plausibility, and belief

01:34:40 Cyprus, Lazarus, and his relics

01:39:23 Great Lavra, John the Baptist, and Athanasius the Athonite

01:44:17 The bullet hole icon story

01:46:42 The disobedient monk and the blackened hand

01:53:46 Why Mount Athos belongs to the Virgin Mary

01:56:15 Final thoughts and East West Series support

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Dr. Nathan Jacobs sits down with Fr. Joseph Lucas to discuss penal substitution atonement. The discussion examines the claim that penal substitution is the biblical and historic view of the atonement. Drawing on the writings of Cyril of Alexandria and other early Christian sources, Fr. Joseph Lucas explains how the Church Fathers understood sacrifice, sin, and the work of Christ very differently from later Western models.

The discussion looks at the sacrificial system of the Old Testament, typology, and the meaning of Christ’s death, resurrection, and ascension. The result is a picture of atonement centered on purification, victory over death, and the transformation of human nature—not a transfer of punishment.

This conversation also explores how differences in biblical interpretation led to very different conclusions about what the Cross accomplishes.

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Bio: Archpriest Joseph Lucas is an Orthodox Christian priest, theological scholar, college professor, and practical philosopher. He received his PhD in Theology at Radboud Universiteit Nijmegen (Netherlands) and his MDiv with Distinction in Church History and Patristics at St Tikhon's Orthodox Theological Seminary (Pennsylvania). He specializes in research pertaining to patristic exegesis and historical theology.

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/lt40zf4KpV8

Fr. Joseph’s parish in Miami: https://www.oca.org/clergy/Joseph-Lucas/

- His blog, Prudence and Piety: https://prudenceandpiety.com/

- His parish podcast, Apostolic Tradition: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQlnsUX0xxfCfBWmQmrrQ8w

- Fr. Joseph Lucas’ book: How to Read the Holy Fathers: A Guide for Orthodox Christians: https://store.ancientfaith.com/how-to-read-the-holy-fathers-a-guide-for-orthodox-christians/

- Another episode Dr. Jacobs and Fr. Lucas did together: https://youtu.be/3Yt5fItpy7U?si=0BRySP8VEQgv-9I9

Mentioned:

- East Vs. West (Part 1) - Dr. Nathan Jacobs, Orthodox Miami: https://youtu.be/kVGkrtzx1DY?si=hmCwdH5YTN3hcpQn

- Fr. Joseph’s appearance on The Symbolic World: https://youtu.be/0FuO88QVlN0?si=8UmUZF4Cc5ZmHD1X

- Fr. John Behr’s book, The Case Against Diodore and Theodore: https://www.amazon.com/Against-Diodore-Theodore-Oxford-Christian/dp/0198800215

Dr. Nathan’s series on penal substitution:

Part 1: https://youtu.be/WHx21LQncFI?si=Y-WaG636sATOZ03S

Part 2: https://youtu.be/-MXLs6J2JBw?si=XxHHcXmqnjhx4G95

Timestamps:

00:00 - Coming up

00:18 - Start

01:27 - Introduction

03:11 - Fr. Joseph's work

05:24 - What is penal substitution atonement?

07:41 - Fr. Lucas' background

13:44 - Approaching St. Cyril of Alexandria on atonement

18:00 - St. Cyril's influences

23:09 - An incorrect exegesis

25:08 - The Father looking away from the Son

34:04 - Origen

35:18 - Christ acting in the Old Testament

39:39 - A discussion on the term sin

56:58 - Passover

01:00:28 - Substitution

01:03:20 - Presuppositions: early vs modern Christians

01:11:31 - Assuming our nature

01:15:19 - The blameless passions

01:24:35 - Testing vs temptation

01:29:59 - Justification and vindication

01:46:33 - Salvation is a mystery

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This is part 3 of 3 talks by Dr. Nathan Jacobs about the "nones", the religiously unaffiliated, a group that has grown dramatically over the past two decades and about which Dr. Jacobs has done research, culminating into the documentary called Becoming Truly Human.Watch part 1: https://youtu.be/vun_XtxDt5E?si=8uHdje7CpTHNAa8v Watch part 2: https://youtu.be/XPlTK33zmcs?si=sY32QQCva2QGPpCK In this talk, Dr. Nathan A. Jacobs discusses how we, as believers, can engage the “nones” and “dones”. He explains why the religiously unaffiliated don't talk about religion, and argues that the real crisis isn’t simply atheism, but disillusionment and cultural hypnosis. A major threat to our faith, as with so many aspects of human life, is our technology and the sense it can create of being a cognitive minority. How can we talk about religion with people who are disaffiliated? How can we help families and members of our own church to prevent disillusionment?Do you want to watch the Becoming Truly Human documentary? Watch it along with other exclusive content on Jacobs Premium. Use code: LEWIS to get a discount on the highest tier of support: https://www.thenathanjacobspodcast.com/

Watch this episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/5_LcdMbopjgTimestamps:00:00 - Preview01:43 - Introduction to this series01:50 - Start of talk02:32 - The secret believer05:59 - A safe space to talk08:26 - Nones rarely talk about religion11:51 - Ask them about their journey16:45 - Addressing their presuppositions22:43 - Taste and see25:48 - The dones27:50 - Keeping Orthodox folks from leaving the church29:27 - A reading from Narnia39:28 - A cognitive minority43:56 - Digital experience48:24 - Approaching research about the dones55:54 - Q&A and discussion56:16 - Q: On resources58:45 - Q: Why does the Orthodox also produce nones and dones?01:07:23 - Q: Why people leave church despite believing01:12:37 - Q: Open to differences01:15:43 - Q: Humility and listening01:16:41 - Q: Catechesis01:19:39 - Q: Moral problems with the Bible======================================All the links:The Theological Letters Substack: https://nathanajacobs.substack.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thenathanjacobspodcastX: https://x.com/NathanJacobsPodFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/nathanandrewjacobsAcademia: https://vanderbilt.academia.edu/NathanAJacobsListen and please review the podcast elsewhere:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0hSskUtCwDT40uFbqTk3QSApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-nathan-jacobs-podcast