Kyle and Wayne explore what it means to embody kingdom power in a world driven by fear, urgency, and control. After Kyle shares a surprising conversation about leadership and pace, Wayne describes vivid prayer experiences that have deepened his awareness of Father’s delight over “a city waiting to be born.” Together, they reflect on patience, birth pangs, and the hope of a humanity restored to God’s original intention—relationships free of manipulation, fear, and self-protection. Rather than seizing power, they wonder what it means to live as a reflection of the city God is already bringing forth.

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After a quick discussion about the false self and how what we value can be opposed to what God values, Kyle invites Wayne to process an email he received from a close friend documenting his growing concerns about how he has viewed the church. They discuss how modern churches evolved from a community-based model to an institutional structure with a single leader as the face of the organization, and how that can easily lead to corruption and abuse of power. As our lifelong assumptions begin to unravel, we will do well to find our security not in systems, doctrines, or religious requirements but in our experience of God's love in daily life.

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Kyle has been talking to some couples, 8-12 years into marriage, who are discouraged that they are no longer able to find a meaningful connection with their spouse. He invites Wayne into a conversation about what a couple can do when they realize their spouse isn't who they thought they were when they were dating. After they open with beauty in the midst of misery, and our false theological certainties that make it easy to scapegoat others, they share how important it is that marriages grow through mutual influence—letting the needs, desires, and struggles of our partner become part of our journey as well. They also talk about the importance of living out of internal fullness to navigate the more difficult moments.

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• Psychologists say this 'green flag' is one of the strongest predictors of a successful relationship
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