In this deeply personal episode, Pastor Scott Jones and his wife Kimberly open up about one of the most frightening seasons of their lives together. What Kimberly assumed was the flu quickly became something far more serious — sepsis and double pneumonia that landed her in the hospital for over a week, with oxygen levels in the 70s and a very real possibility she might not come home.

Scott shares what it looked like to keep showing up in the pulpit while his wife was critically ill — not because he didn't care, but because he'd learned to compartmentalize, trust God with what he couldn't control, and do what needed to be done. Kimberly reflects on what it meant to finally be forced to slow down — something her ADHD-driven mind had resisted for years. She opens up candidly about living with OCD, depression, and ADHD, and how this illness became an unexpected invitation to rest, release control, and let go of things she'd been holding far too tightly.

Together, Scott and Kimberly wrestle honestly with faith — the kind forged not in a single crisis, but over years of unanswered prayers, mental health battles, and a God who doesn't always show up the way we scripted. They talk about the humility of admitting weakness, the arrogance of thinking we're in control, and what it really means to trust the Lord through the shadow — not just past it.

Also featured: a "lightning" round with big feelings about hymns, Colin Hay, The Chosen, Eugene Peterson, the largest pipe organ in Texas, and the best way to waste an hour.

Last year, Pastor Scott Jones of First Baptist Rockport, Texas sat down with Chris McNeil and somehow broke the internet — or at least the Ministry on the Move podcast. That conversation became the most listened-to episode of the year for MotM. So when Chris drove back to Rockport, he decided to find out if lightning strikes twice.

What starts as a conversation about music quickly becomes something much deeper. Scott and his wife Kimberly open up about the Christian music industry, critical thinking, and why a label doesn't always mean what we think it does. As Kimberly puts it, Christian music can sometimes be more dangerous than secular music — because we stop asking questions.

From there, Scott and Chris wade into some genuinely surprising territory — the Christian's duty to culture, what it means to be present without being controlling, and why Scott believes the only way a Christian truly fails is to withdraw entirely. "If I withdraw," Scott says, "I'm not having any influence. But as long as I'm a part, I'm having at least some influence."

The conversation takes one more unexpected turn when Chris raises a question that's been rattling around in his head — is everything that goes wrong in this world really the result of sin? Or did God bake something else into the original equation? Scott's answer might rearrange some theological furniture.

Honest, wandering, and occasionally correcting Chris on his 80s rock trivia, this is exactly the kind of conversation Ministry on the Move was made for.

Life on the road isn’t glamorous — it’s diesel engines, late nights, broken sound gear, gas-station dinners, and trusting God when the love offering doesn’t quite cover the bills.

This week on Ministry on the Move, Chris sits down with Larry DeLawder to talk about what itinerant ministry really looks like behind the curtain.

They dig into:
• why “calling” matters more than comfort
• finding Sabbath when Sundays are work days
• bus breakdowns and real-life faith
• the danger of chasing fame
• a powerful story of forgiveness that changed a man’s life
• and yes… Barney Fife jokes, animal noises, and road-trip madness

If you’ve ever wondered what life in full-time ministry on the road is actually like — the good, the hard, and the hilarious — this one’s for you.

Because the bus might run on diesel…
but the ministry runs on prayer.