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Let's Get Ethical

Let's Get Ethical

By: Michael Sheahan and Robert Fishwick
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What happens when right and wrong aren't black and white? Welcome to Let's Get Ethical, where hosts Michael Sheahan and Robert Fishwick explore complex ethical dilemmas in healthcare—moments where answers aren't in textbooks and clinicians disagree. From end-of-life decisions to resource allocation, these aren't just clinical judgments—they're deeply human ones. Through real stories and expert perspectives, Mike and Rob examine why good people using the same ethical frameworks reach different conclusions. Join the conversation. Let's get ethical.Michael Sheahan and Robert Fishwick Hygiene & Healthy Living
Episodes
  • Episode 9 - Burned Out and Stepping Up: How Jake Miller Found His Spark in Respiratory Leadership
    Apr 28 2026

    In this episode, hosts Mike and Rob sit down with Jake Miller, RRT-ACCS, MBA, just before the California Society for Respiratory Care (CSRC) annual conference. Jake is the Manager of Respiratory and Interventional Pulmonary at Keck USC Medical Center and the current president of the CSRC.

    Jake shares his 13+ year journey in respiratory care, starting out in EMS doing Orange County 911 work before transitioning into hospital-based practice. He opens up about how the burnout and exhaustion of working six to seven days a week during COVID pushed him to seek something more — leading him to get involved with the CSRC, where he found renewed purpose through committees, advocacy, and leadership.

    The conversation digs into the real challenges facing state respiratory societies, including member burnout, retention struggles, and the push to grow initiatives like the Advanced Practice Respiratory Therapist (APRT) designation in California. The hosts also tackle the big question of why more of California's estimated 30,000 licensed respiratory therapists aren't engaged with their state society — and why they should be, given the legislative and professional issues directly affecting their licenses and patient care.

    Jake's message is welcoming and low-pressure: show up to one committee meeting, give some feedback, and see what happens. A great listen for any respiratory therapist thinking about getting more involved in their profession.

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    47 mins
  • Episode 8 - The Accidental Therapist
    Apr 21 2026

    What happens when an accidental Google search completely derails your life plan — in the best possible way? Ask Rachel Jenkins.

    In this episode, Rob and Mike sit down with the MSRC Vice President and Ozarks Technical Community College faculty member ahead of the Missouri Society for Respiratory Care conference, and things get real fast. Rachel went from psychology and criminology student to respiratory therapist in the middle of a global pandemic, then pivoted to education, landed a spot in the AARC Emerging Leaders Program, and somehow still found time to plan a conference around Renaissance Fairs and dragon-themed ventilators. Yes, really.

    But underneath the fun, Rachel pulls no punches about the state of the profession — calling out the therapists who want higher pay and a bigger scope of practice without doing the work to earn it, breaking down what it actually costs to get legislation moving, and making the case for why the next generation of RTs needs to be as comfortable talking to a physician as they are sending a text.

    If you care about where respiratory care is headed and who's going to take it there, this is the episode for you.

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    50 mins
  • Episode 7 - The Why Behind the Work - Part 2
    Apr 7 2026

    Some lessons can't be taught in a classroom. They come from the bedside of a dying grandmother, from the weight of holding someone's hand when there's nothing left to do medically, from years of fighting to save lives and slowly learning that sometimes the most compassionate thing you can offer is peace.

    In this deeply personal episode, Mike sits down with co-host Rob to trace the journey that shaped not just his career, but his humanity. From 14 years serving in the United States Navy — carrying skills that the civilian world didn't know what to do with — to becoming a pioneer in neonatal flight care, Rob's path has always been driven by a profound desire to help people in their most vulnerable moments. But it was the quiet, painful moments outside of the clinical setting that taught him the most.

    Rob opens up about the experience of becoming his grandmother's healthcare decision maker, and how that deeply human moment forced him to confront the very questions he now dedicates himself to exploring — what does it really mean to do right by someone? When does fighting for a life become prolonging suffering? And how do we sit with families in their grief without losing ourselves in the process?

    Together, Rob and Mike reflect on why ethics isn't just a policy or a licensure requirement — it's the thread that connects every difficult conversation, every family meeting, every moment a clinician chooses to pull up a chair, get to eye level, and truly listen. They also shine a light on a striking gap in the profession — only 11 states currently require ethics as part of licensure renewal — and make the case that checking a box is not the same as having the conversation that actually needs to happen. Because at the end of the day, our patients and their families don't need our sympathy. They need to know that someone genuinely sees them.

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    44 mins
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