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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

By: The Overlap
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Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.


Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.


The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.


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If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode.

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  • World Cup Mailbag | Patreon Sneak Peek
    Jul 3 2026

    Throughout the World Cup Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are recording weekly live Q&As, exclusively for our Patreon subscribers.

    This week, all eyes were on England's win over DR Congo, sparking a debate on their reliance on Harry Kane. A worry, or a strength? There's a look at Marcelo Bielsa's Uruguay, a debate on what's happened to Germany, and so much more in this week's World Cup mailbag.

    Want in? Then all you need to do is head over to www.patreon.com/ItWas and sign up for £4.99 a month. That'll get you access to Rob and Jonathan's live Q&As and a whole host of bonus content, including:


    • The World Cup Collection - dissecting every tournament since 1930.
    • Retro Magazine Collection - flicking through the archives of classic football culture.
    • Lots of bonus, one-off IWWIW specials.
    • Plus, you'll become part of our growing IWWIW community on Patreon.


    Sign up today to hear the full episode - and we'll see you on Patreon. Thanks for listening!

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    21 mins
  • Football's Coming Home: How England Won The 1966 World Cup | Part Four
    Jun 30 2026

    To listen to the full four-part series instantly, subscribe to our Patreon where listeners can enjoy ad-free listening, our World Cup Wednesdays, bonus editions and live Q&A episodes.


    Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson conclude their four-part series on England’s 1966 World Cup win, picking up from the semi-final against Portugal and Eusébio, where Alf Ramsey sticks with Geoff Hurst over the media-favoured Jimmy Greaves and England’s wingless 4-1-3-2 thrives, with Bobby Charlton scoring twice and Jack Charlton’s handball leading to a late penalty. They then set up the final against West Germany, including Ramsey’s instruction for Charlton to sit deeper and nullify Franz Beckenbauer, before revisiting a disjointed 4–2 match shaped by England’s direct play, West Germany’s controversial equaliser, Hurst’s debated goal off the bar, and his hat-trick. The episode also explores Ramsey’s vindication, England’s fitness and planning, and the broader cultural context of Swinging London, post-imperial Britain, and the night of celebrations after victory.


    00:00 Doubting Ramsey

    00:23 Series Setup

    01:04 Semifinal Stakes

    02:07 Bobby Charlton Anxiety

    05:13 Greaves Or Hurst

    07:12 Wingless Wonders Win

    08:57 Charlton Double

    11:44 Penalty Scare

    12:50 Charlton Family Duty

    14:53 1966 Life Off Pitch

    17:47 Cinema And Trauma

    20:13 Final Plan Mark Beckenbauer

    22:20 Final Rewatch Context

    24:03 Targeting Tilkowski

    25:07 Final Goals Breakdown

    26:26 German Equaliser Debate

    28:13 Ramsey Team Talk Myth

    29:26 Ramsey Mind Games

    30:08 Fitness Wins Extra Time

    30:34 Was It Over The Line

    32:52 Pitch Invaders Fourth Goal

    33:48 Hurst Becomes Immortal

    35:01 Planning Versus Flair

    36:52 Ramsey Vindicated

    40:19 War Memory And Germany

    43:05 Swinging London Soundtrack

    45:19 Post Imperial Cool Britannia

    50:48 Football Enters Mainstream

    54:07 Night Of Celebration

    57:05 Legacy And Farewell

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    59 mins
  • Football's Coming Home: How England Won The 1966 World Cup | Part Three
    Jun 23 2026

    To listen to the full four-part series instantly, subscribe to our Patreon where listeners can enjoy ad-free listening, our World Cup Wednesdays, bonus editions and live Q&A episodes.


    Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson continue their series on how England won the 1966 World Cup by focusing on the quarter-final against Argentina, presented as the tournament’s key and most controversial test. They explain Alf Ramsey’s tactical preparation, including hiding his 4-1-3-2 “wingless” system and replacing the injured Jimmy Greaves with the more aerially suited Geoff Hurst. The episode traces Ramsey’s lessons from England’s 1964 South American trip, where Argentina’s pragmatic defensive approach and man-marking shaped his thinking, then sets the fraught 1966 backdrop: referee paranoia, Argentina’s internal chaos and recent coup, and a Wembley training dispute caused by greyhound racing. They dissect Antonio Rattín’s baffling dismissal amid language barriers and unclear bookings, the ugly atmosphere, and England’s 1–0 win through Hurst, before covering the aftermath, including Ramsey’s “animals” remark, protests, bans, fines, and Argentina’s defiant homecoming.


    00:00 Setting Up England Argentina

    01:23 Ramsey Hides Wingless Wonders

    03:16 Hurst Replaces Greaves

    05:11 Mundialito Lessons In Brazil

    09:47 Argentina Pragmatism And Press Reaction

    15:43 Referee Paranoia And FIFA Politics

    19:14 Argentina Chaos Before Wembley

    22:40 Greyhound Racing And Pre Match Tension

    26:32 Match Begins And Footage Limits

    29:37 Rattin Booking Sparks Flashpoint

    33:57 Booking Confusion Builds

    35:06 Rattin Sent Off Mystery

    38:40 Interpreter Myth Explained

    41:53 Aero Bars and Union Jack

    45:25 Who Was Actually Booked

    46:06 Press Fury and Fix Claims

    51:56 Ten Men Battle On

    56:01 England Finally Break Through

    57:18 Animals Comment Fallout

    01:03:17 Bans Fines and Aftermath

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    1 hr and 5 mins
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