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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

By: The Overlap
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Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.


Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.


The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.


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  • Eusébio, Messi and the Best Ever World Cup Quarter-Finals
    Jul 7 2026

    Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper pick their favourite World Cup quarterfinals while previewing the upcoming last-eight: Portugal’s 5–3 comeback against North Korea at Goodison Park in 1966, highlighting Eusébio’s peak display, disputed refereeing, and the enduring Middlesbrough bond with the North Korean team; Germany–Argentina in 2006 as a pivotal step in Klinsmann’s cultural and tactical reset with Löw, Lehmann’s sock note in the shootout, and debate over Pekerman’s substitutions; and Argentina–Netherlands in 2022, remembered amid Grant Wahl’s death, for Messi’s pass, a record 18 yellows, a late Weghorst equaliser from a worked free kick, and a combustible shootout and aftermath. Wilson also covers Italy–Spain in 1934 as Mussolini’s World Cup’s key test and Draper adds Italy–Brazil 1982 and France–Brazil 1986 as defining classics.


    00:00 Quarterfinal Classics Setup

    00:47 Portugal vs North Korea 1966

    03:40 Goodison Shock and Comeback

    08:32 Eusebio Takes Over

    10:10 Legacy and Middlesbrough Bond

    16:19 Germany vs Argentina 2006

    17:20 Klinsmann Revolution Explained

    23:27 Match Drama and Lehmann Note

    26:11 Argentina vs Netherlands 2022

    30:33 Battle of Lusail Chaos

    34:48 Penalties And Tragedy

    36:04 Mussolini World Cup Clash

    41:41 Replay And Brutality

    42:58 England Debate Sunderland Joke

    44:43 Rossi Sinks Brazil 1982

    49:50 Romance Dies Guardiola Inspired

    51:57 France Brazil 1986 Classic

    57:43 Shootout Controversy Carlos Story

    01:00:31 Legacy And Wrap Up


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    1 hr and 6 mins
  • World Cup Mailbag | Patreon Sneak Peek
    Jul 3 2026

    Throughout the World Cup Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are recording weekly live Q&As, exclusively for our Patreon subscribers.

    This week, all eyes were on England's win over DR Congo, sparking a debate on their reliance on Harry Kane. A worry, or a strength? There's a look at Marcelo Bielsa's Uruguay, a debate on what's happened to Germany, and so much more in this week's World Cup mailbag.

    Want in? Then all you need to do is head over to www.patreon.com/ItWas and sign up for £4.99 a month. That'll get you access to Rob and Jonathan's live Q&As and a whole host of bonus content, including:


    • The World Cup Collection - dissecting every tournament since 1930.
    • Retro Magazine Collection - flicking through the archives of classic football culture.
    • Lots of bonus, one-off IWWIW specials.
    • Plus, you'll become part of our growing IWWIW community on Patreon.


    Sign up today to hear the full episode - and we'll see you on Patreon. Thanks for listening!

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    21 mins
  • Football's Coming Home: How England Won The 1966 World Cup | Part Four
    Jun 30 2026

    To listen to the full four-part series instantly, subscribe to our Patreon where listeners can enjoy ad-free listening, our World Cup Wednesdays, bonus editions and live Q&A episodes.


    Rob Draper and Jonathan Wilson conclude their four-part series on England’s 1966 World Cup win, picking up from the semi-final against Portugal and Eusébio, where Alf Ramsey sticks with Geoff Hurst over the media-favoured Jimmy Greaves and England’s wingless 4-1-3-2 thrives, with Bobby Charlton scoring twice and Jack Charlton’s handball leading to a late penalty. They then set up the final against West Germany, including Ramsey’s instruction for Charlton to sit deeper and nullify Franz Beckenbauer, before revisiting a disjointed 4–2 match shaped by England’s direct play, West Germany’s controversial equaliser, Hurst’s debated goal off the bar, and his hat-trick. The episode also explores Ramsey’s vindication, England’s fitness and planning, and the broader cultural context of Swinging London, post-imperial Britain, and the night of celebrations after victory.


    00:00 Doubting Ramsey

    00:23 Series Setup

    01:04 Semifinal Stakes

    02:07 Bobby Charlton Anxiety

    05:13 Greaves Or Hurst

    07:12 Wingless Wonders Win

    08:57 Charlton Double

    11:44 Penalty Scare

    12:50 Charlton Family Duty

    14:53 1966 Life Off Pitch

    17:47 Cinema And Trauma

    20:13 Final Plan Mark Beckenbauer

    22:20 Final Rewatch Context

    24:03 Targeting Tilkowski

    25:07 Final Goals Breakdown

    26:26 German Equaliser Debate

    28:13 Ramsey Team Talk Myth

    29:26 Ramsey Mind Games

    30:08 Fitness Wins Extra Time

    30:34 Was It Over The Line

    32:52 Pitch Invaders Fourth Goal

    33:48 Hurst Becomes Immortal

    35:01 Planning Versus Flair

    36:52 Ramsey Vindicated

    40:19 War Memory And Germany

    43:05 Swinging London Soundtrack

    45:19 Post Imperial Cool Britannia

    50:48 Football Enters Mainstream

    54:07 Night Of Celebration

    57:05 Legacy And Farewell

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    59 mins
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