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I Love Marketing

I Love Marketing

By: Joe Polish and Dean Jackson
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I Love Marketing is an ever expanding world-wide community of people that love marketing and want to keep innovating and learning. This podcast is for Entrepreneurs, small business owners or even start-ups that want inspiration and ACTIONABLE marketing strategies about direct mail ideas, lead generation, lead conversion, getting referrals, email marketing and more. Joe and Dean also discuss psychology, books, people and productivity delivered every Monday to help jump start your week! Economics Marketing Marketing & Sales
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  • Selling Boring, Confusing, or Depressing: How to Make Marketing Fun I Love Marketing Live Series with Joe Polish and Dean Jackson - I Love Marketing Episode #477
    Jul 10 2026
    At a live I Love Marketing event, Joe Polish and Dean Jackson answer the question every marketer eventually runs into: how do you sell something people find confusing, boring, or depressing? Joe and Dean answer with a swing through David Ogilvy, Gene Schwartz, and David Sandler, and one of the strangest, funniest product launches. Here's a glance at what you'll learn from Joe and Dean in this episode: Why Joe Polish says you cannot bore people into buying, straight from a rule David Ogilvy wrote decades ago that still holds up today.The exact moment you sabotage a "boring" product, according to Joe, and why believing it's boring is the real problem.Why nobody buys the flight, the hotel, or the TSA line: the destination versus travel distinction that reframes any hard to sell offer.Inside Slick Feet 50, the $59 lotion that never claimed to do anything, and how Dean and world champion barefoot skier Lane Bowers turned it into one of his most fun launches ever.The "confession" email disguised as a leaked Water Ski Magazine press release, and why customers asking "is this even real?" was exactly the point. Show Notes The Question: Selling Something Boring, Confusing, or Depressing Joe and Dean demonstrate how to use fun to sell a product or service that people assume is confusing, boring, or depressing.Joe frames the answer around delivery and framing before anything else. You Cannot Bore People Into Buying Joe cites David Ogilvy's Ogilvy on Advertising and Ogilvy's rule that boring people never sells.Even genuinely exciting products fail if the delivery is flat. Desire Already Has to Exist Joe brings in Gene Schwartz's Breakthrough Advertising and the idea that marketing cannot manufacture desire from nothing.Every person already has "a pilot light" of interest that marketing has to turn up, not create from scratch.It is less about what you say and more about how you say it. Marketing With People, Not At Them The founding purpose of I Love Marketing: most people underestimate how important marketing actually is.Framing marketing as something you do "at" someone instead of "for" them changes the entire interaction. The Trap of Believing Your Own Product Is Boring Joe says if you believe your product is boring, you have already talked yourself into a harder sale.You have to actually believe there is a real benefit before you can sell one. Pain Selling: Features vs. Benefits Joe references David Sandler's book on pain selling, noting that a feature is what a product does and a benefit is what it does for the buyer.Even a "boring" product can be sold hard if you focus on what it actually does for the person buying it. Sell the Destination, Not the Travel Joe compares selling to booking a trip: nobody wants the delayed flights or the TSA line, they want the beach in Hawaii.The lesson applies to any offer: sell what the buyer arrives at, not the process of getting there.People do want to hear about the "labor pains," but only because they want to see the baby. The Slick Feet 50 Origin Story Dean's favorite marketing memory involves his friend Lane Bowers, a former world champion barefoot water skier, and his $59 training DVD.They created "Slick Feet 50," a fictional magic lotion for the bottom of your feet, packaged as the "Slick Feet 50 Barefoot Success System."The system layered up a full ritual: apply the lotion, elevate your feet for two hours, watch the two hour instructional DVD, sleep eight hours, and wake up a better skier. The Confession Email The launch email had the subject line "Confession" and read like a personal heads up before a Water Ski Magazine story broke.The linked "press release" had Lane Bowers swearing under oath that Slick Feet 50 contained no illegal performance enhancers and should be legal for international competition. Tongue-in-Cheek Marketing That People Question (and Love) Kids and even a doctor asked Lane and Dean if Slick Feet 50 was "real," comparing it to finding out Santa isn't real.Dean says the product was always sold with a wink, and the skepticism itself became part of the fun. Ritualizing Compliance With a Wink Dean and John Benson later laughed almost to tears designing a "weight loss pebble" you keep in your pocket and touch before every meal, paired with John's actual diet system.The idea was never that the pebble did anything on its own. It was a way to ritualize following the real system underneath it. Why Fun and Curiosity Sell Better Than "Serious" Marketing Across every example, the common thread is a system wrapped in enough curiosity and humor that people want to follow it.It is not the product that has to change, it is how it gets framed and delivered. Resources Ogilvy on Advertising | David Ogilvy's advertising classic, cited for the rule that you cannot bore people into buying.Breakthrough Advertising | Eugene Schwartz's 1966 copywriting classic on tapping desire that already exists.You Can't Teach a Kid to Ride a Bike at a Seminar | ...
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    9 mins
  • How Do You Make Auto Repair Fun: I Love Marketing Live Series with Joe Polish and Dean Jackson - I Love Marketing Episode #476
    Jul 2 2026

    Auto repair is one of the few purchases Customers never look forward to making.

    Someone comes in expecting a simple oil change or minor repair, only to discover they need hundreds of dollars in unexpected work.

    Joe Polish and Dean Jackson explore how businesses can transform that disappointing moment into an experience customers appreciate, remember, and enthusiastically tell others about.

    Here's a glance at what you'll learn from Joe and Dean in this episode:

    • Why Customers judge an experience more by how they're treated than by how much they spend.
    • How to turn an unexpected repair bill into an opportunity to surprise and delight Customers.
    • Why strategic partnerships can increase the perceived value of every Customer interaction.
    • How to create "bonus value" that Customers weren't expecting.
    • The VCR Formula and how it can uncover additional opportunities to serve Customers.
    • Why community often generates better marketing ideas than brainstorming alone.

    If you'd like to join world-renowned Entrepreneurs at the next Genius Network Event or want to learn more about Genius Network, go to www.GeniusNetwork.com.

    Show Notes:

    Customers Don't Mind Paying for Value—They Mind Unexpected Surprises

    • Most Customers expect a small repair but discover a much larger expense, creating an emotional challenge.
    • Improving the experience after delivering bad news builds trust and loyalty.
    • Customers remember how they felt more than the repair itself.
    • Every unexpected problem creates an opportunity to exceed expectations.

    Ask a Better Marketing Question

    • Ask what additional value Customers can receive rather than how to make them spend more.
    • Shifting from revenue to value changes the entire Customer experience.
    • Customers become more receptive when they receive unexpected benefits.
    • Added value naturally strengthens Customer relationships.

    Create Strategic Partnerships That Benefit Everyone

    • Partner with car washes, detailers, wheel shops, tint companies, stereo installers, tire shops, and other complementary businesses.
    • Partners receive qualified referrals while Customers receive meaningful bonuses.

    Transform a Repair Bill Into a Value Package

    • Provide a bundle of partner offers with every qualifying repair.
    • Customers leave with discounts, certificates, and bonus services.
    • The added value can outweigh the emotional pain of the repair bill.
    • Memorable experiences create long-term loyalty.

    The VCR Formula Creates New Marketing Opportunities

    • Vision + Capability × Reach helps identify additional value opportunities.
    • Every Customer interaction creates new partnership and referral possibilities.
    • Looking beyond the transaction uncovers new revenue opportunities.

    Community Creates Better Marketing Ideas

    • The live audience contributed creative marketing ideas throughout the discussion.
    • Joe emphasized the power of community-generated insights.
    • Collaboration often produces better marketing than working alone.

    Resources:

    • ILoveMarketing.com/476
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    5 mins
  • How Do You Make CRM Fun: I Love Marketing Live Series with Joe Polish and Dean Jackson - I Love Marketing Episode #475
    Jun 24 2026

    Most business owners think of CRM systems as databases, spreadsheets, follow-up reminders, and administrative work.

    Joe and Dean challenge that thinking by reframing CRM as a relationship-building tool that helps you create more value, more opportunities, and more enjoyable Customer experiences.

    Here's a glance at what you'll learn from Joe and Dean in this episode:

    • Why most CRM implementations fail despite having powerful software.
    • The difference between collecting Customer information and creating meaningful relationships.
    • How better follow-up can become one of the easiest sources of revenue growth.
    • Why most businesses focus on transactions when they should be focusing on lifetime relationships.
    • How to use CRM systems to become more thoughtful, relevant, and memorable.
    • The role technology should play in creating better Customer experiences.

    If you'd like to join world-renowned Entrepreneurs at the next Genius Network Event or want to learn more about Genius Network, go to www.GeniusNetwork.com.

    Show Notes:

    CRM Is Really About Relationships, Not Software

    • Most people think CRM stands for Customer Relationship Management, but they spend almost all their time managing data instead of relationships.
    • The software itself is rarely the problem; the challenge is using information in ways that create more meaningful interactions.
    • Great CRM systems help businesses remember important details, preferences, milestones, and opportunities to serve Customers better.
    • The ultimate purpose of a CRM should be helping people feel known, understood, and appreciated.

    The Fortune Is In The Follow-Up

    • Many sales opportunities are lost because businesses fail to stay in touch consistently.
    • Follow-up should not feel like chasing people—it should feel like continuing a conversation.
    • CRM systems provide structure for maintaining relationships long after the initial interaction.
    • Businesses that systematically follow up often outperform competitors who rely on memory or inconsistent communication.

    Technology Should Enhance Human Connection

    • Automation should support relationships rather than replace them.
    • Customers still want to feel like they're dealing with real people.
    • CRM tools work best when they help deliver relevant communication at the right time.
    • The goal is creating a more personal experience at scale.

    Relationships Compound Over Time

    • Every interaction creates future opportunities.
    • Strong customer relationships lead to referrals, repeat purchases, and introductions.
    • CRM systems help capture and organize relationship capital.
    • Businesses often underestimate the long-term value of staying connected with past Customers.
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    11 mins
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