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Deep Work Out Loud

Deep Work Out Loud

By: Julie Harris Oliver
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Welcome to Deep Work: Out Loud, The thinking that fuels our life, our work, and our leadership. I'm Julie Harris Oliver. This is the podcast where I sit with another professional coach and we do some work around a single concept, piece of inspiration, a topic we've seen come up in coaching. If we're very lucky, while talking about it, we might demonstrate what coaching might look and feel like. But we'll see how this goes. It's all an experiment. With any luck, you will leave with something you can apply and use in your work or your life or both.2025 Career Success Economics Personal Development Personal Success
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  • Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable: Aiko Bethea on Transcending the Bullsh*t and Living Your Real Values

    Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable: Aiko Bethea on Transcending the Bullsh*t and Living Your Real Values
    Jul 14 2026
    Have you ever named your core values on the spot, without missing a beat, or drawn a total blank? In this episode of Deep Work Out Loud, Julie Harris Oliver welcomes executive coach and author Aiko Bethea to explore the gap between the values we say we hold and the ones we actually live by. Aiko is the founder of Rare Coaching and Consulting, a senior leadership consultant for the Brene Brown Education and Research Group, and the author of the new book Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable: A Framework for Transcending Bullshit and Transforming Our Lives and Work. Forbes named her one of the top seven anti-racism educators for companies, and The Industry Leaders recently ranked her the number three executive coach in the world. Aiko shares why she built her framework around naming behaviors instead of just naming values, why she calls the obstacles in the way of that work bullshit on purpose, grounded in the real bullshit asymmetry principle, and how she talks to her own kids about the parenting choices she'd make differently now. Whether you're a leader, a coach, a parent, or someone trying to figure out whose voice is actually running your life, this conversation offers a real framework for telling the difference. In This Episode: Why naming a value means nothing without naming the behavior behind it The bullshit asymmetry principle, and why Aiko chose that word on purpose Julie's own turning point: a birthday cake, a lunch break, and a career-changing decision How to talk to your kids (or your team) about the patterns you're trying to unlearn Building safety and trust by admitting what you don't know How we collude with systems that don't serve us The one question to ask anytime you feel obligated: "says who?" Why permission to rest can feel like a radical act Aiko's upcoming retreat in Costa Rica ⏰ Chapters 00:00 Introduction 01:00 Meet Aiko Bethea 02:00 What Led Her to Coaching 03:00 Inside Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable 04:00 From Naming Values to Naming Behaviors 07:00 The Privilege of Alignment and the Birthday Cake Story 09:00 The Bullshit Asymmetry Principle 12:00 The Derailers That Keep Us From Our Core Selves 15:00 Talking to Your Kids About Getting It Wrong 19:00 Psychological Safety and Not Having All the Answers 22:00 Systems, Collusion, and "Says Who?" 27:00 Slow Thinking and the Soccer Practice Problem 30:00 Withholding Permission and Rest 33:00 Permission to Rest as a Radical Act 34:00 Where to Find Aiko and Final Reflections 👤 About Aiko Bethea Aiko Bethea is the founder of Rare Coaching and Consulting, a leadership development firm helping leaders navigate today's workplace with more impactful approaches to leadership. She was recognized by Forbes as one of the top seven anti-racism educators for companies and named an influencer to follow by Culture Amp. She contributed to the New York Times bestselling anthology You Are Your Best Thing, and her writing has appeared in Forbes and Harvard Business Review. She is a senior leadership consultant for the Brene Brown Education and Research Group and a faculty member of the Hudson Institute of Coaching. Her book, Anchored, Aligned, and Accountable, is out now. 🌐 Website: https://rarecoaching.net 📷 Instagram: @Rare_Coach 📚 Book: https://bookshop.org/shop/deepworkoutloud 🌴Retreat: https://www.retreatwithrare.com/ 👤 About Julie Harris Oliver Julie Harris Oliver is an Executive Coach, Leadership Development Professional, and host of the Deep Work Out Loud podcast. Through thought-provoking conversations with coaches, leaders, and subject matter experts, Julie helps professionals develop greater self-awareness, strengthen leadership skills, navigate career transitions, and create meaningful personal and professional growth. Each episode explores practical insights you can apply to your work, relationships, leadership, and everyday life. 🌐 Website: https://julieharrisoliver.com ━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━ 🔔 Subscribe for More Leadership & Coaching Insights If you enjoy conversations about leadership, executive coaching, emotional intelligence, mindset, workplace culture, and personal growth, make sure to Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss a new episode of Deep Work Out Loud. 🔗 Connect with Julie Harris: • Website: → https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/ • Instagram: → https://www.instagram.com/julieharrisoliver/ • LinkedIn: → https://www.linkedin.com/in/julie-harris-oliver • Book a FREE Call: → https://www.julieharrisoliver.com/coaching-appointment #LeadershipDevelopment #SelfAwareness #ExecutiveCoaching #PersonalGrowth #CoreValues #PsychologicalSafety
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    36 mins
  • Dr. Matt Kodsi on "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves" | Deep Work Out Loud

    Dr. Matt Kodsi on "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves" | Deep Work Out Loud
    May 26 2026

    Dr. Matt Kodsi on "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves,"

    Host Julie Harris Oliver welcomes encore guest Dr. Matt Kodsi to discuss his book, "A Story Tale: ABCs of the Stories We Tell Ourselves," and his journey into writing. Kodsi explains how people fill gaps in knowledge by creating stories—often with a negative bias—and shares examples. He describes the book's short, parable-style format (about 72 pages; 1 hour on Audible), its framing as a Zoom conversation between a corporate executive father and journalism-major daughter, and its ABC framework for examining stories and their impacts. Kodsi outlines a planned five-book series on presence, life strategies, organizational culture, and identity, notes the book's addition to the University of Georgia MHA curriculum, and shares where to buy it on Amazon in paperback, Kindle, and Audible.

    00:00 Welcome and Format

    00:31 Encore Guest Matt

    01:22 Why Write a Book

    02:22 Stories We Tell Ourselves

    03:55 Real World Examples

    07:11 Stories About Ourselves

    08:13 Building the Book Plot

    12:31 Series of Five Books

    15:55 Catching Your Own Stories

    19:38 Who Its For

    22:28 Where to Get It

    23:38 Closing Invitation

    Buy the book

    Find Dr. Matt Kodsi here

    Julieharrisoliver.com
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    24 mins
  • The First Work of Leadership: Wellbeing as a Foundation for Leading in Complexity with Dr. Michael Hein | Deep Work Out Loud

    The First Work of Leadership: Wellbeing as a Foundation for Leading in Complexity with Dr. Michael Hein | Deep Work Out Loud
    May 19 2026

    Julie Harris Oliver welcomes Dr. Michael Hein, author of "Shifting Toward Unorthodoxy," to discuss "the first work" of leadership: prioritizing wellbeing as foundational leadership work in volatile, complex environments, especially healthcare. Hein explains that leaders often forget they have a body, yet leadership performance depends on physical health, recovery, relationships, and spiritual meaning; without these, leaders struggle to stay composed, curious, and effective. He describes how socialized workplace norms push high performers to work harder rather than recover, and argues CEOs especially must model healthy boundaries because behavior sets organizational expectations more than words. Drawing parallels to athletic overtraining syndrome, he notes burnout reflects the same maladaptive effects of unrelenting stress without recovery. Hein recommends a regular recovery cadence—daily routines, monthly reflection time, and periodic longer breaks—planned on the calendar and approached as experiments.

    00:00 Welcome to the Show

    00:37 Meet Dr Michael Hein

    01:41 From CEO to Coach

    03:12 Defining First Work

    04:39 Body as Leadership Platform

    06:51 Why Self Care Fails

    09:57 Leaders Set the Tone

    14:30 Athlete Burnout Parallel

    17:58 Cadence of Recovery

    24:42 Start Small Experiments

    28:34 Wellbeing Is Leadership Work

    30:21 Wrap Up and Invitation

    To find Dr. Hein

    —MEDI Leadership's page:

    https://www.linkedin.com/company/medileadership/

    —Dr. Hein's page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heindoc/
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    31 mins
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