In this episode of Just Beyond the CV, Rich Howell sits down with Joe Ryle, Campaign Director of the 4 Day Week Campaign, to explore one of the most debated topics in modern work culture - should we be working less?

Joe shares his unconventional career journey, from environmental activism and political campaigning to becoming one of the UK's leading voices advocating for a shorter working week. Together, Rich and Joe unpack the history of the five-day working week, the rise of the four-day movement, and the surprising results from some of the UK's largest workplace trials.

The conversation goes far beyond productivity statistics. They discuss burnout, ambition, work-life balance, flexible working, employee wellbeing, and whether success should be measured by hours worked or outcomes achieved. Rich also shares his own experience of implementing a four-day week in his business following a period of severe burnout and reflects on the impact it has had on both his team and his family life.

Whether you're a business owner considering a four-day week, an employee questioning traditional working patterns, or simply curious about the future of work, this episode offers a balanced and thought-provoking discussion that challenges conventional thinking and explores what a healthier relationship with work could look like.

Just Beyond the CV is the podcast that uncovers the human stories, career pivots, failures, challenges and defining moments that never appear on a CV but shape who we become.

Today’s guest is Lisa Unwin, who has spent years helping women return to work after career breaks. But this conversation isn’t just about careers.

It’s about identity. Because for so many women, stepping away from work to raise children can slowly become stepping away from confidence, networks, visibility and even a sense of self. And coming back is often far harder than anyone expects.I wanted this conversation to really help those listening who might feel stuck, forgotten professionally or unsure how to start again.

From the impact of rejection and recruiter ghosting to the emotional toll of long job searches, this conversation shines a light on the challenges many people face but few openly discuss.

The episode also dives into mindset, mental health, confidence, ageism in hiring, and how to stay resilient when searching for your next opportunity.

Whether you’re currently job hunting, considering a career change, or supporting someone through the process, this episode offers reassurance, practical insight, and a reminder that you’re not alone.