If you’ve ever stared at an open email thread and thought, “Okay, is this quality follow up, or did I just turn into a teenie bopper waiting on a text back from their crush?”… this one’s for you. We talk about the moment a warm lead turns weird, and how fast your confidence can leak out when you start trying to interpret someone’s silence instead of responding to it.

In this episode, Bernie and I get honest about where that line actually is between professional persistence and straight-up chasing. We unpack the subtle signals people give (and the ones they don’t), what it looks like to close the loop without burning the bridge, and why “fortune is in the follow-up” doesn’t mean you need to keep knocking on a door that’s clearly not opening.

You’ll walk away with a clearer gut-check for your next follow-up, a better way to stay in your CEO energy when someone’s dragging their feet, and a little permission to stop making excuses for prospects who won’t decide.

About your hosts:

Alison Leigh Simmons (The Caffeinated Entrepreneur) is the founder of Lead Smarter Co. She helps established service-based founders clean up their backend, build smart systems, and use AI in a way that actually reduces the day-to-day chaos.

🌐 www.leadsmarterco.com

✉️ alison@leadsmarterco.com

🤝 https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-leigh-simmons/

Bernie DeSantis (The Man Behind the Mustache) is a virtual event producer and owner of Insignia Training Partners. He helps businesses plan and run high-quality virtual events that feel smooth, professional, and human, without making it a whole stressful production.

🌐 https://insigniatraining.com/

✉️ bernie@insigniatraining.com

🤝 https://www.linkedin.com/in/badiii/